Star Citizen Interview: CIG Employee Addresses Financial Allegations, Project Concerns
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Star Citizen has been under fire lately for a number of unsubstantiated allegations regarding embezzlement, employee work conditions and the leadership of the project under developer Chris Roberts.

Things came to a head recently when an article was published on The Escapist on October 1st, 2015. The article contained quotes from former employees of Cloud Imperium Games who claimed that Star Citizen was a scam and that the project is not going well. The article caused a firestorm of discussion across the web, and the comments from those ex-employees even prompted Cloud Imperium Games to issue legal threats, along with demanding a retraction and an apology from The Escapist over  publishing the piece, as reported by Forbes on October 4th, 2015.

Given all the heat surrounding the project, some of the employees of Cloud Imperium Games have been willing to discuss in public, and at great length, what the working conditions are at the studio as well as some of the concerns raised by the community and the media over the crowd-funded space simulator, Star Citizen — which has raised almost $90 million without the help of major publishers.

I managed to get in word with an employee of Cloud Imperium Games, Thomas Hennessy, after he made an impassioned post on Reddit back on October 1st defending the company and the project. You can check out the questions and Hennessy’s answers below.


 

One Angry Gamer: What exactly is your role at Cloud Imperium Games and how long have you been working on the project?

Thomas Hennessy: I am the Videographer. I am responsible for shooting all of our behind the scenes and community content, as well as producing the broadcasting of our major shows such as Gamescom and Citizencon. I have been involved with the project since spring of 2014. I am based out of our Santa Monica office, but also travel to our other studios to shoot behind the scenes and community content there as well.

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One Angry Gamer: There are a lot of rumors about the lack of focus and organization at CIG and that the direction for Star Citizen keeps changing. In regards to the work that you do on the project, do you feel you have a solid direction on where the project is headed based on what you’re doing, or do you have to contend with working with different ideas in different directions on a regular basis?

Thomas Hennessy: Being involved in shooting BTS content gives me a chance to interact and follow what is going on with several different departments, and follow the workflow from one step to the next. Like any growing company, especially a startup like ours, that is growing as fast as we have, there will always be a certain modicum of change as we try to streamline and adapt policies and procedures that will make us more efficient and more productive, but through all that, Chris’ vision and the overall direction we are heading with the big picture has been consistent.

One Angry Gamer: I’m not really interested in the interpersonal matters between employees, which seemed to be brought up by some of the current or ex-employees mentioned in The Escapist piece. What did interest me is that some of these employees claimed to know what the budget burn was for the project and how much cash reserves CIG has left. Do the average employees working at Cloud Imperium Games have access to the accounting information? And even if they do have some rough information about the finances, do they know how much is being spent each month and what it’s being spent on?

Thomas Hennessy: Definitely not. The overall company finances are not shared or discussed with the employees, and I would imagine, that even if my coworkers and I were given access to some spreadsheets or EBITDA statement, we most definitely would not be qualified to analyze or judge what we were looking at. I imagine that the accounting for a global company of our size is pretty complicated.

One Angry Gamer: There seems to be a recurring complaint about Star Citizen: that the project is a “con” or a “scam” and that Chris Roberts will run off with the money. This was actually repeated by the ex/current employees from Cloud Imperium Games in the Escapist piece. Why is it, in your opinion, do you think those particular employees would call Star Citizen a “con” and are there still employees working at CIG who still believe that the entire project is some sort of long con?

Thomas Hennessy: I find this idea to be completely ludicrous. If Star Citizen is a con, it’s a pretty poor con. Having 260+ employees across the globe who are working on developing the game seems pretty counter-intuitive to running a con that doesn’t involve releasing a game. I can’t speak as to the mindset or motivations of former employees, but from a logic standpoint, the con argument doesn’t really hold up, at least in my opinion.

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One Angry Gamer: Another one of the common issues brought up when people criticize Star Citizen and CIG, is that it’s bleeding employees or that studios working under Chris Roberts are shutting down left and right. During many large scale projects where contract workers are involved they sometimes come in and go out every couple of months depending on the scale of the project. Some people seem to think that this is happening more often with Star Citizen than other large scale projects. In your time working in the industry, would you say the contractors brought in or let go by CIG is higher, lower or on par to the standard AAA project?

Thomas Hennessy: Well my background is in the film/television industry more than games, so I can’t really compare it to other game studios, but to me it does not seem like we are “bleeding” employees. Not every job is going to be a good fit for every employee, that’s just the way the world works. Chris has a very strong vision, and sets the bar high. It’s unfortunate, but reality dictates that some people either are not capable of hitting that bar, or don’t want the stress of trying to hit it. We are trying to do something here that has never been done before, and will hopefully be considered ground breaking when done, but it’s not going to be easy. Throughout that process people will come and go for a variety of reasons, but as long as Chris is driving the ship, the mission remains unchanged.

I think that the fact that our development is so open, and many of our employees are interacting with the fans on a regular basis, makes some of the turnover seem worse than it is, especially when it’s a fan favorite employee who happened to be featured on camera a lot in our BTS content, or was active in our forums or on reddit, but at the end of the day, these are still human beings with different wants, needs, and goals. Sometimes those wants, needs, and goals lead them somewhere else.

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One Angry Gamer: One of the things that stood out in The Escapist piece was when one of the current or former staff from CIG mentioned that for $90 million what Chris Roberts wants to do isn’t possible with today’s technology. We see games like Empyrion and StarMade literally doing the same thing as Star Citizen just on a much smaller budget, scale and obviously with lower graphics fidelity. But I’m curious, are there elements to the design of Star Citizen, that you know of, that is not possible to do with the technology that CIG has under its belt?

Thomas Hennessy: I think that there are a lot of challenges in doing what we are trying to do, and some of what will need to be done will need to be invented by us. A lot of this has been discussed in detail in our weekly updates, monthly reports, and programs like 10 for the Chairman. That’s the tricky thing about being the first. The impossible isn’t possible until the day it was possible, but Chis is the right man to lead the way, and he knows the right people to bring in to help make it happen. When the road is long and full of obstacles, it’s understandable that some people who lack the imagination or vision, view those obstacles as impossible to navigate. When trying to break new ground you will inevitably have some stumbles and wrong turns along the way, but from everything I have seen, heard, and observed here, I have the utmost confidence in Chris and the rest of the team to pull it off.

One Angry Gamer: The release schedule for the game obviously varies to what technical hurdles the team encounters with Star Citizen, which is something that’s discussed in the updates posted frequently on Roberts Spaces Industries website. Any time the game or a module misses a release window there is the common doom and gloom talk about the project failing. Do you think there’s anything that the management at CIG could do to better convey their target goals for Star Citizen and the time frame in which they plan to get some of the modules finished and out to the public? Or is the doom and gloom talk that spreads throughout some gaming communities just the nature of the beast at this point?

Thomas Hennessy: Well I think we are getting better about giving out projections for releases, one of those lessons we’ve learned along the way. I think there will always be critics, and we will always have a target on our backs simply because of what we are, and how we got here, but at the end of the day, the goal is to do it right, and do it well, and to a majority of our backers, that is how they want us to do it. A game as complex and involved as this one has so many moving parts, that one or two snags can cause ripple effects that slow things down, which makes forecasting an inexact science.

If we were a typical publisher we would probably look to cut corners or delete features or release something full of bugs just to make a deadline, but we are not. If we want to reap the rewards of making this ground breaking game we are making, then we have to be willing to ride out the critics and skeptics who doubt us along the way. Here at CIG though, we know what we’re doing, we know what is at stake, and we understand the importance of it all, and through all the ups, downs, highs and lows, as long as we remain unified, all focused on supporting CR’s vision and doing our part in that, we will not fail.


 

(Huge thanks to Thomas Hennessy and Cloud Imperium Games for allowing him to answer the questions. You can keep an eye on the game as it moves through development by visiting the official website or you can stay skeptical by reading the latest news about the project from your favorite gaming websites.)

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  • King of Bros

    ”Did CIG do something wrong?”-Usher
    ”WE DINDU NUFFIN”-CIG employee

    • Unless people get their hands on financial records that’s all you’ll ever have.

      • briguy

        And that will likely never happen unless there’s a court order to disclose said information.

      • And that court order will not happen based on the huge drama and claims that are never backed up by actual evidence. eh!

      • Rarehero

        Derek Smart and Lizzy Finnegan have to back up their claims undisputable evidence, not the other way around. What’s next? Derek Smart claims that CIG have stolen his technology and demands that they release the code to prove that they did not?

      • Peter

        He actually already tried that a few years ago..

      • Bobby

        Derek can’t afford to access a full crytek license, what code is he talking about? Line of defense looks like it was written in BASIC

    • Gorgon

      What did you expect though? “Yes, it’s all just a ruse, you’ve been played like a damn fiddle”?

      • DecimationPro

        Funny that is what people where saying before GamesCom about Multi-Crew. Then CIG showed the system of and people kept quiet for a while.

      • Bobby

        Lots of trolls lost their voices that day

  • TheGreatGamerGod

    This ones going to be really hard to judge until it’s out. Right now you have a lot of rumours and speculation from anonymous sources. If it comes out and like 90% of the promised stuff is missing and it looks like shit then it will be clear, but this could easily be AAA developers/corporations running scared of a path that isn’t the one they would like us all on and putting a bunch of bollocks out there to attempt to discredit and destroy a game before it heads out the door.

    • Byronic Fate

      ^ pretty much the most sane and logical approach you can have

      A lot of people seem to be staking claim to facts they would not have means of obtaining. I say let them be and let them demonstrate what they can do.

      Looks like a lot of fun to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xSOzEWsHOs

      • Kain Yusanagi

        So did the Aliens: Colonial Marines demo.

      • Bobby

        Show me the studios three years of development contact with the public before releasing colonial marines smartass

      • Kalam

        Kain seems to be a dsmart lover. Go play his games, then, and be happy. That’ll make two people.

    • Rarehero

      The problem here is that Chris Roberts and Sandi Gardiner as well as the HR department are accused of federal crimes. That’s why they have to act, if necessary with a lawsuit, because obiosuly they cannot allow to have such rumours about them out there. If it was just about a magazine that writes another story about how this game is bound fail or if it was just about Derek Smart being Derek Smart, they would mostly ignore this.

      • TheGreatGamerGod

        Problem is if they do pursue legal action against those who are spreading things (true or not) about them, how much dev money is that going to eat into? You could easily slice a good quarter of the development budget off on expensive lawyers.

      • Boo

        The stretch goals stopped at $ 65,000,000.
        Every stretch goal was very “large” … 1 milion to promise Aliens languages?

        Now they are at $ 90,000,000 … they have 50% more budget over the calculated one … so I think some lawyer (the one who helped from the day 0) can be paid

      • Benjamin Peters

        Plus, legal probably has to be part of any game dev budget. It’s a lot of work down the tube if you get a legal attack you can’t defend against.

      • Michael Nolen

        Not in this case. CR and Ortwin have their own money and development funds will not have to be touched (per CR himself)

      • Benjamin Peters

        If that’s really what they’re doing, they’re amazing people. Taking on the cost of legal trouble like that yourself is no guaranteed thing. That sort of stuff can drag out for years and cost quite a bit.

      • Bobby

        Cig has access to some very deep pocket investors, unlikely any backer money will be spent on litigation

      • Kalam

        Who are these deep pocket investors you’re talking about? I’d be very interested in learning that since CIG is saying they don’t have any investors like that.

      • Bobby

        Ask cig, before the crowd funding took off cig had investors. After the money rolled in they were dropped because cr wanted to go all crowd funding. If cr wants to tell you their names I’m sure he would if you asked nice.

      • Michael Nolen

        for one thing, CR has his own money from royalties (as he has stated) so no development funds will be used for legal matters. (even DS says he has millions from being lucky)

  • Landsharkk

    Hmm, I’m guessing this wasn’t the outcome in the article that Derek Smart was expecting. 🙂

  • Gaz Instone

    Little ol’ Derek tweeted this upcoming interview.. he won’t be happy about the content 😉

    • Stan

      Don’t underestimate DS.

      I suspect he will be very happy about the content and will have plenty in his toolbox.

  • JP

    Great article, thanks.

  • Teutonic Knight

    You just have try out the modules and you can see the makings of a great game here. I was actually very skeptical about this game and got caught on DS comments, but after doing some digging I found DS to be nothing more than troll, he been pulling this stuff for years.

    I’m changing my mind on Star Citizen each day I read up on what they’re doing and following the progress.

    • Scott

      Are you a producer? No. Are you a Developer? No. Are you an Artist? NO. Are you a QA Tester? NO. I’m the Voyeur with the Camera and when I walk in to the room everyone stops playing D@D and starts singing kumbaya.

      • Teutonic Knight

        Ah … Okayyyy

      • whut

        Wtf mate…. get back on your meds.

      • Daniel Pina

        My thoughts exactly. The person being interview has zero connection to the actual game. He just contributes to the ton of side-content that all other developers are claiming to be where CIG is spending the resources that should be in game-making.

      • David

        It is a well known fact that all video pieces and extra behind the scenes content is paid for by subscribers a subset of the community that pays money every month to provide such content and is not connected to the funds that backers have paid to produce the game.

      • Daniel Pina

        “Well known fact”.
        LOL yeah sure.

      • briguy

        Just because you deny it, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Sage wisdom

      • Michael Nolen

        It IAS a well know and oft documented fact that the Subscribers are the one who are funding the community content. Any ID-10-T such as yourself has the basic google skills to uncover that point.

      • DecimationPro

        So what? What plonkers said it was running low on funds, I am pretty sure 99% of the employees don’t see the accounts!

      • Apocalypse

        Hello Derek’s socket puppet. I reported your current early access game for fraud, because ffs you are even banning press guys reporting just bugs on your steam forums.

  • Hawk Hopper

    I’ve thought a lot about this over the weekend, but I doubt I’ll get to a clear understanding for some time.

    One aspect of all of this is how “scary” people view crowdfunding. Some people wonder if they are being scammed and others fret about delayed projects. As stretch goals get met (more more has been raised) the concerns intensify. If you help crowdfund a project, it also seems like people will be more willing to coddle you if your “investment” turns sour.

    I can’t say if allegations about CIG only having only $8 million left are true or not. I also don’t care if social justice infractions have been made at CIG (if they were made, the employees that had been discriminated against probably needs file some sort of discrimination paper work with their state government.)

    What I do know is that crowdfunding is a big part of gaming’s and other industry’s future. This controversy is just a part of its wild upbringing.

    • What I do know is that crowdfunding is a big part of gaming’s and other
      industry’s future. This controversy is just a part of its wild
      upbringing.

      Well said.

  • MKDAWUSS

    The worst part about all this is that it’s gone from “Concerns and Questions Regarding Star Citizen” to “Derek Smart vs. Chris Roberts”

    • Noranga_Kaputo

      trashcan vs gold nugget, fight!

      • Viredae

        gold nugget gets thrown in trashcan, trashcan wins.

      • Benjamin Peters

        Hobo digs through trashcan, becomes rich, forgets trashcan. Gold nugget wins.

      • Viredae

        Gold nugget gets sold to sex toy company, gets melted into a gilded butt plug, gets inserted into fat man’s bottom, trashcan wins.

      • Benjamin Peters

        Trashcan ends up with discarded poo-encrusted gold buttplug. We’re on the internet. Everything loses.

      • DecimationPro

        Derek isn’t a trashcan, he is the trash!

    • DecimationPro

      Chris made 4 good games (3 with over 90% ratings, WC4 got a 80%’s rating), Derek a few bad and 1 average (60%’r) game. Go Fish.

    • Bobby

      It’s always been Derek smart cd Chris Roberts

  • Noranga_Kaputo

    excellent article, some faith in gaming journalism restored
    bookmarked site

  • Jake Martinez

    Billy… why not just read a press release from CIG? I guess you got a hit here, but I think most people reading this are going to be disappointed from reading what seems almost exactly like prepared remarks.

    • Far the known attackers against SC go, any statement CIG can do, even if they release financials proving that the claims about the funding were lies… It won’t stop it, i mean we’re on the Internet, the company reactions always increased the dramas. The only thing capable to stop it will be the game itself.

      • Jake Martinez

        Well, I agree with that but I think Chris Roberts and his general council/co-founder Freyersmuth have both stepped in it by making public comments. Both of those statements can be used in a cross examination by any lawyer if this does go to court (which makes me believe it won’t). They should have shut up from the start of this and the fact that they went public, and loudly, makes me either think that Freyersmuth is a retard, or they are incredibly arrogant… or desperate maybe.

      • LDopa

        … or CIG isn’t lying or hiding anything that would harm them if it was brought up in court. That’s the crazy thing about being honest and telling the truth about it.

      • Michael Van Sise

        They are confident that they will win, I think The Escapist is in for a curbstomping if this does end up in court. For them to actually have any chance, some of their anonymous “sources” will have to actually come forward and testify in court on their behalf. Otherwise they are on extremely shaky ground.

      • Pavel Drotár

        They know who their sources were. They’ve seen IDs of 7 of those people. It’s just the article that doesn’t list the names, because those people would like to have a job in the future.

        I’m pretty sure American courts have a way to make people appear in front of them.

      • Michael Van Sise

        CIG does not issue company IDs, just identical generic RFID gate passes. While it might make sense for current employees to be anonymous, what do former employees have to lose? It is not like they are going to be shunned by the entire industry, that explanation seems very thin to me.

      • briguy

        Here it details what my possibly go down in a court of law if anonymous sources are used https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/digital-journalists-legal-guide/limits-promising-confidentiality-0

      • Rarehero

        It’s not just about the state of the game anymore. The articles accuses Roberts, Gardiner and the company of federal crimes. They cannot allow to have such rumours out there. They have careers after all and a business that is reliant on partnerships. Having such rumours floating around could hurt their business and their careers. That’s something they cannot ignore anymore.

        “makes me either think that Freyersmuth is a retard, or they are incredibly arrogant… or desperate maybe.”

        … or maybe they care about their business and the people that work for them. I think you forget the 260+ people, Chris Roberts and Ortwin Freyermuth feel responsible for. In the media coverage it might sound as if it is just a fallout between Chris Roberts and Derej Smart/The Escapist, but add the company behind Chris Roberts and all these people and it is much more than that.

      • Jake Martinez

        I’ll try to explain it in a way that makes it clear how serious a blunder this was on behalf of Freyersmuth.

        When you issue a C&D like that, or when you publicly respond to print allegations like both him and Roberts did, then the contents of those correspondences can be used in any further lawsuit (for example: the one that CiG says they want to file) as part of cross-examination by the defendants lawyers.

        In both of those cases CiG through Roberts and Freyersmuth made their own allegations (and some of them clearly fabricated) and the defending council will step through each one and follow them to ground, perhaps demanding discovery (access to CiG’s internal correspondence or records).

        Basically, it was entirely unnecessary because it opened up a new (and potentially damaging) avenue for the defense in what would already be a very difficult case to pursue. They would have been way better served by Roberts simply dismissing the allegations point by point or by CiG having another council (not Freyersmuth since he is a co-founder and would be a party to any legal action on behalf of CiG) draft a letter without accusations, simply demanding a retraction.

        I don’t know how to get this across… but this is a very amateur move on behalf of CiG. They should have immediately retained a qualified 1st amendment lawyer as council the moment they wanted to dispute the Escapists claims and let them direct activities instead of, as they say “spilling spaghetti” all over the internet.

        At the end of the day, no matter how badly it might “feel good” to yell at your opponent in a public letter, all they managed to accomplish was to give Defy Media’s lawyers ammunition if this does go to court. This is why I called this “retarded”, because it’s a tactical blunder of near epic proportions.

      • Syd Syko

        You apparently don’t know how Entertainment Lawyers do their business in good ole LA, do ya?

        These people are THE SHARKS of the entertainment industry, they handle clients that are a hell of a lot more rich and powerful than the clients involved with this case.

        Since it is very likely this will never actually go to a jury trial, they instead opt to try the case in the kangaroo court of public opinion.

        These sharks will mouth of at each other in “public” till they are fucking blue in the face, because their rich clients demand that they “get out there in the press, and defend them in public” (no matter how ill advised or stupid it may be for them to do so), and later, they’ll get together over dinner and drinks at some swanky digs, set a golf date or tennis/racquetball match, to “discuss possible terms of settlement”.

        Then if a settlement can’t be reached, they drag out ALL THE DIRT in court, and if you think Defy Media has the hacks’ (the author of the article) best interest at heart, you’re setting yourself up for a big let down, cause if there is even a slight chance they might lose (and we’re talking millions of dollars here), you watch and see if the hack (the author) isn’t the first one thrown under the bus along with her managing editor (if they deem it necessary to settle the case out of court).

        And if the hack thinks she can protect her sources, good luck with that, cause judges wont hesitate to throw them in the clink for contempt, especially since the hack has said she has been given evidence or testimony that indicates federal (or state) crimes have been committed.

        Best advice, the hack better get her own damn lawyer, cause Defy only has its own interests at heart, and wont hesitate to throw her to the sharks, if it will save them millions of dollars, period.

      • Jake Martinez

        If you say so, but I’d rather have a 1st amendment lawyer because Ortwin doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing.

      • Bobby

        Or twin won’t be trial lead, they’ve hired two rather storied firms for that already

      • Syd Syko

        As Bobby noted, Ortwin wont be the trial lead, he’s one of the named defendants and he is also a co-founder of CIG. Beyond that his own firm is rather large itself, not to mention the other firms that are involved.

      • Kalam

        The cease and desist order was simply for defamatory remarks, etc. NOT to stifle first amendment rights. Derek Smart has gotten too bold, thinking that their initial silence towards him was a weakness.

      • Kalam

        CIG TRIED to keep quiet, or do people not remember the long silence about Derek Smart? Now they come up with calling CIG racists, and more, ignoring the fact that they have video documented proof of a wide variety of races working for them?

      • Bobby

        That won’t stop the attacks either Derek smart is a psychopathic troll and big publishers want cig dead

    • MKDAWUSS

      I don’t think any current CIG employee is going to validate any of the critics’ claims…

  • Skippy2Ton

    Thank you @WilliamUsherGB:disqus. It’s nice reading an article from someone who cares enough to check with the studio.

  • Bob

    Videographer…….are ……you …..kidding…..me? That’s not a game developer. How the hell does he have ANY idea of how to make a game? I have no more words.

    • Hyper1

      Don’t think he ever claimed to….

    • Dom

      Because he spends all his time videoing and interviewing and iteracting with game developers? He might not personally have the skills to make a game, but he sure as hell will be in a position to know what the fuck is happening around him.

      I wash dishes, can’t cook to save my life but I’ve seen the inside of a resteraunt long enough to know how almost all of it works.

      • Pavel Drotár

        I have yet to see a SINGLE documentary (behind the scenes type) that would show that the videographer actually saw emails going between people. The accusations are that these emails are full of insults, swearing, curse words etc. The accusations are that people are being insulted on regular basis. Only a retard would do that in front of a camera, so of course the videographer cannot know about this.

    • James Reginald Worthington

      All of the more damaging claims aren’t actually about game development though. It was claimed it was “common knowledge” in the office re the company finances etc.

    • Rarehero

      The claims that the project is mismanaged and that Chris Roberts is incompetent and that CIG is broke are coming former concept artist. What do you they about game development and accounting to make such claims?

      • TheGreatGamerGod

        Indeed, many concept artists don’t even work in the main building a lot of the time in game development and are contracted on a work for hire basis from home or another company.

        Either way he’d have absolutely zero clue on how the companies financial direction would be going. This could easily be sour grapes.

      • DecimationPro

        Maybe CIG was so sick of an underperforming artist that they used it as excuse to get rid of him/her.

    • Dunnlang

      Well most of DS’s and Escapist’s sources appear to be former members of the community team and marketing department. Everyone is so quick to believe them though.

      Trust me, the atmosphere and culture of a company permeates the entire place, not just the literal developers. When things are bad, it is clear. If people are having breakdowns or shouting up and down the halls, that does not go unnoticed.

      There have been many current and former employees coming out saying that things are not as the Escapist paints them. Why couldn’t the Escapist be bothered to interview a single one of them?

    • Joe Sixpack

      I dont think any of the questions were about “how to make a game”. He answered questions he was qualified to answer and acknowledged he was not qualified to answer accounting questions.

  • Fenrir007

    This entire thing is just such a big clusterfuck. I will take a wait and see approach, and I’m a backer.

  • Skyrant

    These are the most canned responses i have ever seen. Someone has prepped this fellow real good.

    Let’s just wait and see if CIG follows through with their lawsuit. It will be fun to watch.

    • Ken Ellis

      Get your tin foil hat and put it back on. You’ll need it.

    • Benjamin Peters

      You know what’s going to be more fun to watch? CitizenCon this weekend.

      • Kalam

        I honestly don’t see how Star Citizen can be a scam what with all the content and things we can actually SEE right now. Plus the leak a few months ago of assets they weren’t ready to show to the public These are assets you can’t just fake.

      • Benjamin Peters

        Yeah, that alone is enough to pretty much discredit that entire article from the Escapist.

      • Skyrant

        Oh yeah, i can’t wait to see if they got something new to show. Maybe a game?

      • Benjamin Peters

        You know, I can post gameplay of the game right now. You make yourself look like a grumpy spoilsport who’s just angry to be angry when you say things like that.

  • Nojan

    thanks for this interview

  • paul middleton

    Am tired of reading about this BS let them get on with the game like any other developer. i dont understand why these nasty rumors have been given a story of this size, its horrendous.

  • Joe Sixpack

    Nice interview with relevant question and concise answers.

  • Well written.

    Well written article, short, simple, to the point without huge amounts of bias.

  • Kain Yusanagi

    “I find this idea to be completely
    ludicrous. If Star Citizen is a con, it’s a pretty poor con. Having 260+
    employees across the globe who are working on developing the game seems
    pretty counter-intuitive to running a con that doesn’t involve
    releasing a game.”

    It’s called a pyramid or ponzi scheme. Not saying that that’s what CIG is, but employing people to get money from other people is how those sorta things work.

    • S Childers

      That’s not correct.

      Employing people to employ more people to employ more people is a pyramid scheme.

      Adding employees to your development team is called… growing your development team.

      • Kain Yusanagi

        I’m just talking about having people hired on to make things look productive not being a weak con, if the allegations are true. Not saying the allegations ARE true.

      • Kalam

        “Look productive”. Have you bothered to look at the content updates AT ALL? I’m pretty sure CIG is producing something.

      • Kain Yusanagi

        Compared to how much SHOULD be done by now? Honestly, no. Look at schemes in history- they do enough work to look legitimate but the rest all goes into pockets.

      • Kalam

        And how do you know what “should be done by now?” I suppose you must have personal knowledge of all the stuff going on behind the scenes to make such a bold claim. Your inference that this is going on here needs proof before you can get away with it. Frankly, it’s insulting.

      • Kain Yusanagi

        Except I’m not inferring that it is, I’m saying “IF it is, then this”. What has been done and shown is far less than what should be done for their original OR current release date to be met. So far there’s very little substance to the flash that has been shown.

        You’re making the same mistake about my statements as your type has been about the Escapist article, saying “Lizzy said X about RSI” when she just relayed allegations of those supposed ex- and current employees.

      • Landsharkk

        So you are saying the daily, weekly, and monthly updates, along with the social, hangar, and arena commander modules are actually all faked just to make them ‘look productive’?

        Are you sure that’s the argument you want to support?

      • Kain Yusanagi

        Except that’s not at all the argument I made, but thank you for trying to put words in my mouth.

  • Pavel Drotár

    Let’s do the math…

    They started in 2012. In 2014, they reached 40 million, now they have reached 90 million total.

    Currently, with 260+ employees, each raking the typical 100 000 dollars per year, each year of production costs them 26 million on salaries alone. So by April next year, they will have spent 52 million (since April 2014) on salaries. We don’t know how many employees they had in 2013 and 2012, but if we would count with a conservative estimate of 100 on average, that would mean another 20 million in those two years. So SALARIES will take 72 million of an 89 million budget until spring next year, so that means they have 17 million to run offices, acquire technology, hire hollywood actors, buy ad time on TVs or wherever, fly around the globe etc., for 3+ years.

    The above conservative calculation of 72 millions by April 2016 is not so far off from the claim of 82 million gone altogether already.

  • Pavel Drotár

    260 people burn 30 million $ per year on salaries and office essentials.

    By the end of 2016, when the game is supposed to be ready, they will be in development for nearly 5 years, 3 of those at this amount of employees…

  • Stan

    You cant reasonably tell us you dont have a professional background in games development and then tell us why there is nothing especially wrong with the development process at CIG !

    Useful interview though.

    • Kalam

      Yes you can, in a general sense. Which is what he did. The fact that he can see and talk to many different departments is a good thing. Having a technical background is not required to understand the overall flow of things, and to be able to look at progress and decide for himself the worth of it. Everyone around the world does this every single day, indeed, constantly. Deciding the worth of things when they haven’t the slightest clue as to how the thing was made.

      What he DOES have is an inside look, from a technical standpoint that MOST of us would have. And to be able look at the product being worked on at all stages gives greater insight, not less, despite not having a job that says he codes for a living.

      • Stan

        A generalists opinion cant be regarded as reasonable assessment of what is actually happening in a project like this You need an expert for that. The author should know that too and use it with extreme caution if at all.

      • Landsharkk

        If not experts, then at least dozens and dozens and dozens of examples in the game industry. I cite any game or MMO of this scope and the number of years it took to deliver from start to finish.

        If you compare, you’ll see Star Citizen has been in development for a lower than average amount of time. In order to be on-par with similar games, you should give them another 2+ years of development time before starting a fear campaign.

      • Stan

        My pointing out that the opinion of an amateur is not a useful metric is not starting a fear campaign.

      • Apocalypse

        So why everyone cares about Smart? 😉

      • Stan

        If you think you know what “everyone” thinks go and get the $1m from James Randi Foundation for demonstrating supernatural powers.

      • Apocalypse

        If you don’t get the meaning of everyone in context of my above lighthearted comment than I strongly and honestly suggest that you get therapy, you might be a light case of autism.

        If you wanted to be just a smartass then I suggest to get better at trolling. The good ones are supposed to be funny and smart about their trolling.

      • Kalam

        I would disagree. Just because one is not an expert, doesn’t mean they can’t make a fair judgement, overall. Despite what you may think, people are not stupid.

      • Stan

        That is because you are an arrogant idiot.

        On medical matters, a doctors opinion is worth tens of thousands of opinions of medically untrained people .

        The fact that one can have an opinion says nothing about the quality of that opinion.

      • Apocalypse

        On medical matters a doctor’s opinion is usually worth not much. Why? Because a doctor is usually acting simply on a first impression, you are dealing usually with a family doctor without any expert knowledge on your medical problem and not up to date on recent scientific developments. On top of that is the medical education those doctors receive rather practical and not theoretical.

        You would not let a car mechanic either design a engine? So why consider the opinion on medical matters of human mechanics so high? 😉

        What doctors are supposed good at is applying fitting therapy to patients and actually first sending a patient to the correct specialist first. ‘Medicine matters’ is a far too broad subject to rely on opinion of a single fachidiot.

        So excuse me, I would rather take tens of thousands crowd sourced opinions over a single doctor, they beat a single guy with experience alone, because with that amount of people already in the range to cover even extremely rare diseases with personal experience instead of hearing from than in a book 15 years ago.
        I would not want to get threatened by those tens of thousands guys though, as they are clearly not qualified for that. But that was not your point. 😉

      • Stan

        Arrogant prick !

      • Apocalypse

        But he did not interviewed the person tor an expert opinion on the state of the game. He ask him about the accusations. You do not be an expert to be able to dismiss an accusation which would have been visible to everyone in the studio. Financial records? No one out of the normal staff does have access to them. Hostile environment in the office? He did not notice that either, no one was talking about that, there was no constant screaming and yelling at subordinates either.

        The state of how fun the game is can be checked by backers directly. I am personally not a huge fan of the gimbal mechanics for example, do like the flying and do see a lot room for improvement in the controls department. 😉

        So what is your point? That the source here is not from the project management stuff? The accusations are build in a way that you either thrust the managers words or not. Because they clearly stated that this is just your daily Derek Smart bullshit, who btw seems guilty of most of the accusation he made against Chris Roberts.

        And the fact remains that the escapist did not even used a counter statement from CIG, so much professional journalism. The escapist used to be a really high quality magazine, but this has changed years ago already, so I am not even surprised, because they ended on my ban list a long-time ago for a similar boulevard journalism style. I guess today you just call it click-baiting. 😉

  • Ebalosus

    I do feel that concerns regarding scope and timeframe are valid, even if I know how long Chris Roberts’ games tend to take; yet as an original backer, I don’t feel scammed.

  • GGundam

    After reading the interview, I just don’t buy it. Everything sounded scripted. Something’s way off with what Thomas said.

    Look, he’s not a programmer, or concept artist, or any other type of design specialist. He’s the freak’n videographer, making those little behind the scene video blogs. What would he know of the nuts & bolts of the whole concept? Oh, so just because he travels to the other offices and films these behind the scene shots, would he really get to know the true nitty-gritty of how staff truely feel?? He even said his background it TV/Film. We need the low-down from one of the designers or programmers to know wtf is going on.

    Again, Thomas sounds like he wants to keep his job, hence the scripted answers. As my teacher always told me “Believe nothing from what your hear or read, and only half of what you see!”

    Something’s definitely afoot, and I smell bs reeking from Thomas. Keep the flame to their feet Billy. Sooner or later one of ’em will roast. And boy oh boy, they are going to go full broil of who spills the beans.

  • No Mans Sky Fan

    No PR, no Bullshit. Pretty Simple.

    Star Citizen is a scam. This is already known. Unfortunately ma name will make me seem biased, but after reading all thee things that the original Kickstarter promised? And with wats been delivered? Pretty obvious. No Mans Sky on the other hand……. ???. All funded by HelloGames. Who knows for sure, but I GUARANTEE, that No Mans Sky is not $90 million dollars into development lol. Prolly upwards to $5-10 million at this point. Anyways, I didn’t put shit into SC, so fudge it, not my problem. Cheers! My dream game drops in 8 months!! Can’t wait

  • bob

    Here is the problem i have with the last statement Q/A.
    You have a GOAL a set amount of money to achieve that goal.So how does that guy make a claim that they are all about doing it right over meeting a dead line?
    It is not like there is an endless stream of money,you have a set amount of money to get each idea done,there is no room for extensions and changes and additions and with that comes added costs and added time frames.

    To simply if down real small ,it is like i have 1000 dollars to build a ship.I can’t all of a sudden make some statement about how we want to do it right and turn that 1000 dollar ship into a 5000 dollar ship.It doesn’t work that way in a crowd funded game,there are no investors with deep pockets willing to throw more money into a better idea or to get things right.

    Point is if you fail or make a mistake,that aspect is now over budget,where does that money come from?Oh yes more delays and more ship sales to make up for a lot of already lost money.

    On the topic of spending all the money,Star Citizen themselves have sent out memos stating there is no money for refunds,it is all gone,so that is self admittance the game has been bled dry through mismanagement.

    Now we ALL know the REAL truth,this is only a bull shit statement to keep from offering any refunds.However…guess what,you can’t have it both ways,you can’t make certain claims and tell everyone they are lying then make another claim that all money is gone.

    So imo Chris and his lawyer team have put their shoe in their own mouth by trying to cover their tracks and now trying to get out of refunds.

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