#GamerGate: Game Journalist Steps Forward To Discuss #GameJournoPros Secret Mailing List


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Amidst continued leaks from the Game Journo Pros mailing list, one of the few with a conscience has decided to at least discuss their involvement with the list, following lots of damning information that gave gamers every reason to be distrustful of the current climate of games media. James Fudge, the managing editor of Game Politics, has finally broken his silence about being a part of the Game Journo Pros secret mailing list.

Fudge took to Game Politics to discuss the Game Journo Pros list that he was a part of; the list contained many recognizable names from other prominent gaming news and tech sites.

As noted on Game Politics [also a backup just in case], Fudge wrote…

“My name is James Fudge and I was a member of the now defunct GameJournoPros, an email list for professional writers and wonderful human beings covering the video game industry and culture.”

“Unfortunately one member of that group has to be thrown under the bus in the name of truth. No apologies for that either, because all of it is public information at this point.”

The person he throws under the bus is The Escapist Magazine’s editor-in-chief Greg Tito. For those who are unaware, Breitbart posted some of the e-mails of the GJP members having a conversation that consisted of them attempting to coerce Tito to shutdown the Escapist forum thread that was discussing #GamerGate, in an attempt to silence all conversation about the topic. Tito, under great pressure, refused.

One of the worst perpetrators of that coercion was Polygon editor Ben Kuchera, who attempted to squash all dissent surrounding the twisted narrative that corrupt media outlets have been putting out, including outright lying to the general public and partaking in tabloid journalism – even from once-respected sites like Ars Technica. Here are a few of Kuchera’s comments to Tito regarding closing down the Escapist thread – which at the time was one of the last large gaming related outlets on the net allowing uncensored discussion of the situation, alongside 4chan.


Fudge writes out his defense, stating…

“So flash forward to that GameJournoPros email thread where The Escapist Editor-in-Chief Greg Tito was allowing a forum thread about Zoe Quinn’s sex life to thrive; keep in mind that this was roughly at the same time that Quinn was saying that she was being doxxed, and regularly receiving harassment and death threats on social media. Nude photos of her were also leaked all over the Internet. Seeing Greg (by all accounts a fairly new and untested EIC) faced with such a tough decision, I offered my advice – “don’t allow that thread to flourish.” Allowing a thread about Zoe Quinn’s sex life and repeating an accusation that wasn’t true wasn’t fostering discussion – it was throwing gasoline on an already untamable inferno”

Couple of things.

1.) Zoe Quinn posed nude for a porno site called Broken Dollz under the pseudonym of “Locke”. You can’t “leak” photos that are available in the public domain.
2.) The pornographic sessions are confirmed in a Facebook post by photographer Mallorie Nasrallahm, who blatantly states…

“A model working under the name Locke Valentine – this is the woman currently known as Zoe Quinn – modeled for two websites I was affiliated with – she as a model, I as a photographer.”

3.) Greg never asked anyone for input on how to handle the situation, so what made Kuchera, Fudge and others assume that they should dictate the narrative and conversation happening on a competing website?

Fudge goes on to say…

“As everyone knows now, Greg didn’t see a problem with the thread, despite me pointing out in that email conversation that it was a violation of the site’s terms of use. He disagreed with that, and while I thought he made the wrong decision, I let it go. Other people had stronger opinions about it and voiced them. That was pretty much the end of it until the very first email leak from GameJournoPros over at Breitbart. It would be the first of many leaks that would try to accuse members of the GJP list of everything from corruption and collusion to group think on the whole GamerGate discussion.”

Ryan Smith wrote about the groupthink that enveloped some members of the group in his piece on Medium.

Smith’s comments about the groupthink mentality was echoed in actual threads where some members nonchalantly discussed bribery without a second thought in the world. As of the writing of this article, only Kyle Orland and James Fudge have made public statements regarding their involvement in the Game Journo Pros list, and only James Fudge has made a list acknowledging and absolving himself from partaking in any kind of corruption. Kyle Orland, however, only warned people to be prepared for what might be exposed.

The leaks have been made public for a month. After airing on September 17th, the members of Game Journo Pros had ample time to prove their innocence, but have refused to do so.

Keep in mind that there are four years worth of content in those e-mails, covering every major video game consumer scandal in the last couple of years. So there’s also plenty of reasons why certain members wouldn’t want the information out there.

Anyway, Fudge goes on to further state…

“It’s important to state all this because I have been accused of engaging in everything evil under the sun as a “games journalist,” but aside from my (awesome) jokes and comments directed at colleagues in private virtual water cooler conversations, this “GJP” business is all sizzle and no steak. I also want to point out that different publications have different ethical standards, and doing any of the things *I choose not to do* does not mean someone is “unethical.””

Actually, taking money from a publisher and then giving the game a good review is considered bribery.

Taking an unrelated gift of considerable value from a publisher or media firm and then handing out a good review score is also bribery.

Receiving a check for $200 and then writing a review about a game without disclosing that information is bribery.

Having handsomely paid trips covered by publishers and attending lavish parties at the expense of that same publisher, and then reviewing a product without disclosing this information to the public, can be seen as a conflict of interest.

Screwing an industry rep and then writing about their product is a direct conflict of interest.

Heck, I find it distasteful when a writer could be fired at an outlet because a competing editor from another website chimes in and makes it known that telling the truth is a punishable offense when the outlet doesn’t have his back.

I’ll share more on that one later.

Nevertheless, Fudge continues to pick bones with Greg Tito, stating…

“The incident with developer interviews on Oct. 10 at The Escapist reinforces my belief that Greg is still learning the ropes. On a personal note, I do respect Greg and acknowledge that he is a good guy. We have all made mistakes.”

Some individuals have been actively trying to remove certain interviews from the Escapist Magazine’s interview collage and throwing Greg Tito under the bus for even allowing them to be present.

Of course, the interviews contain lots of useful information about what developers actually think about a lot of the radical voices speaking up and out against consumers, and some have avidly sided with gamers, such as an Xbox developer and senior Microsoft employee, amongst many others.

Near the end of the editorial, Fudge states…

“While members of GamerGate say that this “consumer movement” is about “ethics in journalism” (a very noble and worthwhile cause even if its current trajectory related to GJP is way off the mark), very real harassment is coming out of its encampment and there’s no reconciling that fact.”

The current trajectory related to GJP is actually very much on mark, which is why it’s likely the guilty parties from the Game Journo Pros list have mostly stayed silent.

In addition to this, James is also right about the real harassment… Boogie2988, real name Steve Williams, has been harassed quite a bit for doing nothing more than trying to stay neutral; he was also banned from NeoGaf for not adopting a hive-mind mentality, but that’s not surprising given that the site is ran by a known misogynist, and Boogie2988 has been doxxed and threatened. For what?

John Bain, also known as Total Biscuit, has also been harassed for supporting #GamerGate, even though he’s just recently had surgery.

I agree that the harassment is getting out of hand, especially for people who simply want to clean up all the corrupt journalists running rampant in the gaming industry.

I’m glad James Fudge was able to come forward to discuss the matter and add some weight to the discussion surrounding the corruption of games journalists, especially given the taint that the Game Journo Pros list has added to the overall view that many gamers have of the games industry.

(Main image courtesy of ZachBussey)

[Disclosure: I was a former member of the Game Journo Pros e-mail group]



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  • Keinart

    The biggest issue I see here is how we can’t discuss this anywhere. How trying to mention this or trying to talk with the journos is totally forbiden. This is what GamerGate should try to accomplish, to let the people talk, to ask for more transparency. If there’s really nothing wrong with this journopros thing then prove it, let people discuss it in reddit, or in your forums, or let the journos defend themselves. Let’s hear what they have to say.

    • Madbrainbox

      The attitude so far was similar to “Suck my dick,choke on it”.
      I truly believe it it our fault for allowing people like that to hold the keys to the industry.Every journalist proven to be corrupt,everyone that is treating gamers as garbage,advocating violence against nerds(because nerds are uncool when fighting back).They have to go.I don’t care what they where they will work after this.But not in this industry.

    • If there’s really nothing wrong with this journopros thing then prove
      it, let people discuss it in reddit, or in your forums, or let the
      journos defend themselves.

      Let me just put this out there: They can’t prove it because some of them are not innocent.

      I egg them on to release more of the e-mails just to get under their skin. I know they won’t release them.

      It’s nice to see Fudge turning on Tito, though. It really shows how fragile their alliance was… especially so since Tito has been defending his “friends” as if it means something.

      The next set of leaks regarding Destructoid and the transgendered situation could look really bad for them. Perhaps Niero will come forward to discuss it before that happens.

      #TheFireRises.

      • bobbins

        I look forward to that “leak” very much as it will show Gamergate for the hypocrisy it is. Milo/Nero is very openly transphobic and, whenever it is brought up, GG folk are all too happy to spout that it has nothing to do with games so doesn’t matter.

        He was also criticised by Devi Ever (a transgender female) over calling a transgender athlete “it”. What happened? That’s right all of GG piled onto Devi and defended good old Milo. So much so that they harassed and hounded her off twitter. Bearing in mind she was vocally pro-GG, it just highlights that someone being transphobic is immaterial to GG people. So by all means call out Destructoid over a transphobic comment (I’m not doubting it happened until I see the full comment in context BTW) but if GG leap on it then it will take someone else literally seconds to show their hypocrisy after their ill thought out defence of Milo.

        Likewise, you seem to be ignoring the fact that a number of people on that list have been answering very specific questions about it via ask.fm for weeks. So if they had something to hide they’d be doing a bad job of it.
        Not to mention that Fudge didn’t turn on Tito at all in the full article. I’ve read the full thing and while he and Tito disagreed, it was left at that. Likewise while Ben Kuchera shared his opinion, Tito disagreed and kept his forums open. If anything the “smoking gun” of these leaks is a nonsense. As Breitbart and yourself seem to just post up a few out of context quotes and point to them as proof of collusion – when reading the whole log shows that it is anything but.

        Did some people make suggestions that may have caused a conflict of interest? Yes they did. Did other people in the group call them on it? Yes they did. Did those conflicts of interest ever happen? No they didn’t.
        People rag on Kuchera for being emotional about someone getting abuse, and saying so. But he is perfectly entitled to his opinion – just as Tito was perfectly entitled to his own, and to keeping the forums up. That is exactly the opposite of this supposed collusion.

        I mean you talk about some trajectory related to the GJP group, but it’s non-existent. Most people in GG don’t even mention it anymore, except for in broad strokes, and the barely point to it even when talking about ethics/collusion. The only trajectory seems to be the one you are hoping exists.

        The only person that was actually damaged by that list was you. You released it in bad faith, proving that you can’t be trusted in future. You’ve stated you weren’t really interested in writing about games in the past and it is probably just as well as, after this, what serious organisation would take you on? You’ve broken a trust, which is an obvious ethical breach, and if you had to keep a secret for a publication/individual that you were writing on in future then how would they be sure that you would do so? It hurts more that the scandalous posts are anything but – I mean if you had genuinely shown evidence of mass collusion, I could see the point, but all we get are out of context quotes that are proven to amount to very little when you see them in context.

        Though I think the fact you have Rorschach image on twitter, keep saying the fire rises, claim that anyone in the GJP list is crying and you enjoy their tears (when in fact most of them don’t really give a crap, as can be seen by a number of them being open about the list) proves that you feel you have started some kind of revolution and are just in this for a few cheap hits.
        It’s unfortunate that it panned out this way for everyone involved, as that list, judging by what was released so far actually did more to stop conflicts of interest and ethics breaches than it caused. Now it is gone, and emotional writers may just act rather than seeking an avenue to calm down and take a moment. So we may see more ill advised actions in the future rather than less.

      • Real Human Bean

        Hard to take you seriously when you claim that “all of GG” do anything. I certainly don’t condone Milo’s transphobia, nor do I think the way he views his sexuality in general to be healthy.

        None of this invalidates the evidence he’s brought forth, and I’m under no illusion that, mutually, we’re helping each other. Milo gains visibility, Gamergate gains information. Your idea that the “whole” of GG feels any one specific way is nothing short of misguided.

        If you still have not noticed by now, gamergate is people with no unifying political or social ideals. There are right-wingers and leftists and everything to the center, comes as no surprise there would be people involved with pretty stone-age views when it comes to trans* issues or sexuality/gender issues.

        It’s quite literally just gamers voicing their displeasure at shit game journalists, of which GJP is clear proof. Members of GG have sent direct emails to members of GJP when the offer was on the table(notably @MissAngerist) and received nothing but deflection when it came to hard questions, so it would come as no shock that few have any faith ask.fm questions won’t be ignored.

        You should really stop with this association fallacy, it’s a bad look for everyone except the people you’re criticizing.

      • bobbins

        Did I say all of GG? Apologies – should have been more specific.

        What I meant to say was that anyone in GG who saw that conversation immediately sided with Milo over Devi, no questions asked. That included a number of people that have been highly active on the tag. Then once she had fled twitter there were a bunch of posts along the lines of “she was just trying to stir up trouble” or “well I do disagree with Milo but…..”

        No one stuck up for her. No one called out Milo on his opinions. So if GG are going to rally around a supposed transphobic comment from Destructoid then they will literally be hypocrites.

        I never said that the whole of GG feels one way of another, it’s obvious that there are various opinions and views out there. It’s also obvious that many members of GG are prepared to be hypocrites to prove their point. They harass others but denounce harassment, they ask for ethical journalism but support unethical journalists and so on.

        Show me this amazing hard proof that the GJP demonstrates? Hard proof of what exactly? That people in the same profession talked to each other? That some of them shared similar or different opinions? The GJP list proves nothing – and it can’t even be tied to the supposed “proof of collusion” that were the “gamers are dead” articles. So what exactly is having a list of gaming writers proving?
        I find it quite funny how people are able to claim that list is proof of something, but are never able to say exactly what it is supposed to prove.

        I’d also point out that many of the people on that list have answered questions in good faith. The fact that pro-GG people just dismiss their answers as lies or deflections is not their fault – it’s the fault of people that are now at the point of not believing anything any person on that list is saying. So how can there be a dialogue? If someone answers a question honestly and it is simply dismissed, that’s pretty much conversation over.

        Also, I realise that every pro-GG comment has to use one of the recommended buzzwords when they can’t actually articulate a proper disagreement. But my words aren’t association fallacy in the slightest – it’s a genuine problem with gamergate that they seem to want to achieve less corruption and ethics by advocating more corruption and unethical behaviour. As if the ends justify the means. I’ve raised points and, rather than answer them all, you just spout the same rhetoric.

        So let’s make it easy. Do you think it would be problematic/hypocritical for the majority of gamergate to denounce Destructoid over a transphobic comment when they support a transphobic journalist who is (currently) sympathetic to them?

        (Also, off topic, but I will literally laugh out loud when good old Milo spots a chance to get some clicks in a year or so by publishing a factually inaccurate article about gamers. You know it’ll happen. I just hope the same people that support him now, will denounce him )then.

      • The biggest problem with trying to criticise him on that is that he’s technically right, since there’s not yet enough scientific study to push it off the DSM. He’s just being a general all-around sneak about it.

      • LOL

        Son, you have NO idea what you’re going on about.

        The e-mails have nothing to do with transphobia. But thank you for showing your true colors.

      • merri

        You want to hold everyone accountable for his words, then I suggest you hold yourself accountable for the bigotry that these outlets actively promote… https://i.imgur.com/HQ5ipOD.png

        and the harassment and abuse they actively defend, let alone just refuse to report…

        https://i.imgur.com/ZSRtQGy.png
        https://i.imgur.com/RZylwcH.png
        https://i.imgur.com/WAjeYSj.jpg
        https://i.imgur.com/oJSarAW.jpg
        https://i.imgur.com/y57lRdK.png
        https://i.imgur.com/rFXRF2p.jpg

        So, there are identifiable people conducting abuse. Where have the GG abusers been identified? Almost all have been shown to be trolls harassing either side, and SA forum posts have indicated that there are more trolls stirring shit up, and it was GG’ers that ousted one of Anita’s harassers, unsurprisingly being another fucking corrupt journalist.

        So, with that in mind, how about you stop gobbling what the media feed you for just a few seconds.

  • Ms_Fortune

    Just gonna say fuck Niero and I hope his site burns to the ground from this.

  • Erthwjim

    I read that article on gamepolitics, when I asked about the october 10 developers issue I was given this link: https://storify.com/alexlifschitz/escapist-drama

    Also in the shoutout box Eisen posted this: https://storify.com/EffNOVideoGames/stopgamergate-it-has-always-been-a-spin which seems to cherry pick what people said on 4chan, since only partial parts of the conversation are shown in the screenshots.

    On Zoe:

    Now I can’t speak about what was happening at the time, and it’s not the best thing that Eron shared their relationship info, but I gather he talked about it with other people before they shared and they determined that her fans and followers needed to know the type of person that she was. And from the little I have read from their chats, she really mistreated him. Personally from what I see of her, the issue isn’t that she slept with multiple guys, but that she did so while she was in a supposed monogamous relationship with Enron. She seems to have been a manipulator and used him, because he kept forgiving her and she kept repeating the same behavior. Emotional blackmail is the term I’ve seen used for what she did, and that’s a horrible thing to do to a person. She is no saint that’s for sure, but she probably didn’t need the harassment and doxxing and whatever other threats supposedly came her way.

    Eron briefly talks about why he posted the information here: https://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/100178126531/transcript-from-that-rather-uneven-buzzfeed-article And probably a few other places too.

    I think this is a good write-up on why what ZQ did was particularly bad: https://theflounce.com/harassment-abuse-apologism-sanitizing-abuse-social-justice-spheres/

    But setting that aside, her behavior and who she did it with brought a spotlight to the fact that perhaps some developers and journalists were more than just mere acquaintances, as although this could have been an isolated person or incident, it’s also possible it could have been a reflection of a large problem in the industry (not the sex part, but the friendships between developers and reporters). I think she was delved into too much, but this really wasn’t helped by the way the gaming media and specific people reacted to anything regarding this issue. Had they handled this differently, I think things wouldn’t have escalated as badly as they did.

    On Gamergate:

    From what I can tell the tag didn’t exist until August 27, so the movement didn’t exist much before that date. On August 28 the gaming media pretty much lit the first match that is gamergate today by writing all the gamers are dead articles. They weren’t directed at some gamers or just the outliers, they were directed to “gamers” a word they chose on purpose (because as writers, you choose the words you write, and the editors among them that approved the articles or wrote the articles, they knew even better, they let the articles get published, they allowed the words to go through, and hence began the narrative of blaming the many for the actions of the few, something that to this day most media will not acknowledge.

    • bobbins

      While I’d agree that some of the articles used inflammatory language, I disagree that they were aimed at ALL gamers. Most of them specifically mentioned a small subset of gamers that were still involved in harassing people, swearing/belittling others while playing games and generally decrying anyone they didn’t see as “hardcore” gamers.

      The articles make that distinction pretty clearly.

      The problem is that most people didn’t read the articles and the only quotes anyone ever states are out of context ones. I mean most of them didn’t even specifically state that “gamers are dead” and I see articles being attributed to sites (like RPS) that didn’t even publish one.

      I think I lot of people are actually angry at those articles because they have been told to be angry. You may disagree, and that’s fine, but I read them and as someone that has been playing games for 20+ years they didn’t offend me at all as I knew they weren’t about me, and I didn’t act in the way they described. If you are a rational gamer, that respects other people online then I don’t see how you could think those articles were targeted as you. They used the term gamer in the context of what society and marketing people claimed it meant, then explained that gamers were actually far more diverse and subtle than that generic, out of date, description. It was pretty open and cut for me.

      Though obviously I know that not everyone will have the same interpretation. So it is what it is.

      • Magnus Sandvik

        The problem with that sentiment is that even directing vitriol at only “hardcore” gamers, that is still a MASSIVE group comprised of millions of people, and it doesn’t change the fact that the articles cuts them all from the same cloth.
        If they wanted to concern themselves with harassment, they could have used the term “harassers”. But they went with “gamers” because it is easier to purge with fire than it is to come up with a cure.
        You say they “weren’t about you”. That’s fine. If you don’t consider yourself a gamer, I am not going to hold that against you. But as to where the term gamer comes from, and its context in society, you are very wrong. Gamer culture is something unique. Like metalheads, ravers, fitness buffs or any subset of society they belong to the greater society, but they are their own subset as well. But most importantly, it is not a term that has been pushed onto anyone. It is a term that has been adopted by the culture and is used with pride. And telling a group of people that their own name for themselves is irrelevant.. that is throwing fuel on the fire.

      • bobbins

        I do consider myself a gamer. I always have done. So should I force outrage over something that I don’t think was that bad? There is no way anyone can define what each individual gamer thinks of as their culture really. If you think your culture as a gamer is the one highlighted by those articles (which marketers and age old demographics think is purely angry young men happy to abuse others) then that’s fine, but that’s not how I view it and not how those articles viewed it either – as most of them spoke about gamers as being way more diverse and cultural missed than that.

        Again, I don’t think those articles were aimed at millions of people – as I don’t think millions of people harass and abuse people online over games. But if you read it a different way then so be it.

        If people are going to stay mad at opinion pieces that are over two months old then nothing I can say will change that. Though I would note that none of those pieces are anything but opinions – and they certainly aren’t proof of corruption or ethical breaches. So while they may not seem appropriate to some readers, I don’t think the response to them has entirely been appropriate either.

        Hope that clarifies here. Lot of stuff going on as you can imagine.

      • Erthwjim

        Opinion pieces by people that are editors and on sites where the main demographic of people that visit those sites are people that identify as gamers. I’m not a journalist and perhaps only journalists are immune from the consequences of writing down their opinions for the public to see, but if I wrote an opinion about my customers that was negative and shared it with a larger public audience, I’d be fired and it would be difficult for me to find work in the industry I work in again.

      • Erthwjim

        Gamasutra’s take. I’d say this wasn’t directed at a subculture within gaming: https://archive.today/l1kTW

        In her whole article she uses mostly stereotypes to explaining gaming culture and gamers and the roots of where they came from. And the stereotypes she uses, they’re ones that have been applied to all gamers by non gamers for decades, so it’s very easy to see she wasn’t applying this to just the trolls. She says they don’t know how to dress or behave, they are socially awkward, they’re lonely basement dwellers, and again she’s not describing the trolls when she uses these words. And then at the end she then tries to say that people who associate themselves with the word gamer are “obtuse shitslingers, wailing hyper-consumers, childish internet-arguers”. And granted there are some gamers that could be described as that, but there are many people that identify themselves as gamers that are nowhere near being described as that.

        Then the polygon article: https://archive.today/rkvO8, they don’t lump sum gamers, but they divide them into two groups, something which pushes more of an us vs them, because there are more than 2 groups, even when it comes to this. I’m all about bringing new people into gaming, I just think there are more productive ways to do it than the way certain groups and individuals are attempting to do it. So because of that, some people might lump me into the pouting like an obstinate child category, which has happened when commenting on numerous sites and pointing out the problems with the way certain people are presenting their “research”. And believe me, I don’t attack the people, I pick apart what they say, not who’s saying it.

        Ars technica: Mostly focuses on issues related to ZQ and AS, but then goes and says something like this: stereotypical gamers, who are typically vitriolic toward issues of diversity. I’m not even sure who made this stereotype and didn’t even realize it existed. I’ve heard stereotypes of gamers being vitriolic in general, but not specifically towards diversity. This is a stereotype created by gaming journalists I feel, not even by the non-gaming media (at least not until recently, which was after this article was written).

        I’ll go through others as I find them as it has been awhile since I read them.

  • Thanatos2k

    Tito has more integrity than Fudge ever will.

    I like how he blames Tito not censoring his own website as because he was “learning the ropes.”

    The ropes apparently being when Ben Kuchera tells you to do something YOU DO IT RIGHT NOW OR ELSE.

    What a fucking joke these journalists are.

    • well, at least his site is honest about what it’s for, it’s named game POLITICS after all. Now if only all those fucking idiots trying to push a dumb narrative would abandon their sites and go there. After all, if you to read about how Mario and Sonic olympics is subverting a foreign country’s gay ban, would you expect that to be included in a normal review in which you’re trying to find out how the game plays/works? Of course not. And writer who wants to write like that should be writing for JAMES FUDGE and not Kotaku, Gamespot, IGN, Polygon, etc. Because we don’t want to hear about it.
      If you truly, TRULY feel your readers should know about something political that isn’t ACTA/SOPA/PIPA/etc, then just pop a sidebar link and let the reader choose to go there or not.
      Actually, while we were all messing around on Ranker it gave me a grand idea. I noticed that when you vote on an entry it shows “Blank was also mentioned in this list at position ###”. Why not do this on normal game sites? “There is a debate ongoing about this game! Would you like to read more at *link to gamepolitics search for game/series’ name*” So much of this could have avoided blowing up if they didn’t try forcing their viewpoints into their own articles.
      On a related note I hope nobody is planning a GP protest. I would certainly not support it. No matter what Fudge’s stance or what he says, his site is open about being political, and he also serves a necessary containment function. Going after Fudge would be like going after Jim Sterling prior to the 14th.

      • I agree.

        It’s why I linked to the original Game Politics article. He at least lets people discuss the issue on the site.

        I may not agree with Fudge’s stances on some things but I support the fact that he’s at least keeping discussion open about it (for as far as I can tell).

      • Right, I never went to his site, I only followed him while it was still a livejournal group, but a site like that is a necessity. Originally as a signal booster, but now we need to encourage him to turn it into a containment area. None of us I don’t think would have problems with academic leftist thought processes no matter how distasteful if they would keep from sprinkling it throughout all of their authentic reviews and just relegated it to an optional portion of the site.

      • Thanatos2k

        Sterling’s slack attitude and double standards always deserved to be criticized though.

        Fudge can write whatever he wants, but he also supports censorship, which I can never get behind.

      • Well, I didn’t say he was the BEST at what he’s doing, but so long as he keeps that on his own site, and then if the people there want other opinions heard, they could deal with complaining about just one site, and oust just one manager, or just start up a competing site. No need for EVERY gaming website to turn into gamepolitics-lite.
        And I meant Sterling specifically about this issue, I have to give it to him for trying really fuckin’ hard to stay neutral, but unlike Boogie one of his best friends is directly involved, and even worse, she’s one of the worst examples of the opposing side, being a self-hating mixed race person. He had to make a choice, and he chose…poorly.

      • Thanatos2k

        Fudge told Tito to censor his OWN site. That crosses the line.

      • If all of this were kept on Gamepolitics and GP only, it’d have never come up. Also there would probably be no polygon because they have to put that shit in every single review apparently.

  • Sheeyt

    Mr. Usher my love for you continues to grow!! <3

  • AlexiusY

    “Heck, I find it distasteful when a writer could be fired at an outlet because a competing editor from another website chimes in and makes it known that telling the truth is a punishable offense when the outlet doesn’t have his back. I’ll share more on that one later.”

    Is it finally happening? It’s been a LONG time coming.

    • Ajt

      I think it goes a little past “distasteful” and is trending into areas that are subject to Civil Litigation and Federal Law. Which is the amazing thing that I can’t understand why these nitwits can’t grasp this. These are Editors. Business managers. This is a discussion of employee discipline and termination, a private HR matter, being carried out by a secret panel of competing industry managers. Even better it is being done right there in front of lower tier employees from different competitors. “See guys! Cross us and you’ll never work in this town again!” That’s precisely what this is. This is exactly why Hollywood ended up Unionized. This is why Federal Labor laws exist. The level of legal and financial exposure that a publisher now faces from whatever employee is being discussed there is staggering. And the employee wins the case no question. The GJP list guarantees it. Heck any employee with even a suspicion of industry collusion against them can now subpoena this list and start asking questions regarding others. Federal Judges and Juries love this sort of thing.

  • epy

    The harassment of TB is unbelievable.

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