#GamerGate: Destructoid, Corruption And Ruined Careers
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[Update: Additional e-mails have been added regarding the date of the firing.]

[Update #2: Yanier “Niero” Gonzalez has responded following the publication of this article.]

Allistar Pinsof, a former writer for Destructoid, has come forward after dealing with a year of turmoil and frustration for not having received proper justice, following an unusual situation that spawned from Pinsof warning consumers about an IndieGoGo campaign. Combined with certain e-mails from the Game Journo Pros mailing list, his information corroborates a lot of what gamers suspected but didn’t know how to deal with or expose. For the purpose of this story, some names may be redacted as requested by some people involved with the situation.

A quick recap is as follows: Pinsof was investigating a potential case of fraud involving an IndieGoGo campaign that sprung up back in early April, 2013. In early May, Pinsof exposed certain information about the crowdfunding campaign to the public, but in doing so riled up a lot of vitriol from certain communities. After discussing some of the events on Twitter, both the individual involved with the IndieGoGo and Pinsof resolved the situation in a roundtable discussion at Gamers Against Bigotry, on May 18th, 2013. All would seem well in the world… except, it wasn’t.

Before the roundtable discussion took place, Pinsof was still catching heat, with some Destructoid bloggers calling for his head for leaking information about the individual that was seen as damaging to certain communities.

Throughout the week ending on May 18th, 2013, Pinsof and Destructoid owner Yanier “Niero” Gonzalez had a series of back and forth e-mails. Gonzalez had suspended Pinsof for taking to Twitter to talk about the situation after he advised him not to. On May 17th, 2013 Yanier “Niero” Gonzalez took to the Game Journo Pros group e-mails to consult with other editors, managers and site owners to see how they would handle the situation.

Some suggested that “Niero” seek legal advice, others called for Allistair to be fired. Chris Dahlen, former editor-in-chief at Kill Screen and best known for stating that everyone draws their own ethical lines, stated…

“[Quoting “Niero”] Allistair decides to post the facts on Twitter against our wishes despite not asking him to do so, and also publicly outs [Redacted]. It was an unconfirmed rumor prior to that.” [end quote]

“And by the way, I haven’t followed the story closely and I didn’t see the tweets. I think you should fire him because just based on the way you wrote the e-mail, you seem to think that’s the right [decision]”

Jonathan Deesing, former G4 contributor and freelance games writer, stated the following in the GJP thread…

“Yeah up until this point I was on the side of not firing the guy. This would have been a good opportunity to make an example of him while not firing him. People always love the reformed guy”

Danielle Riendeau, senior reviewer at Polygon, also came forward to note that Pinsof deserved to be fired, stating…

“I’ve been following the situation with interest, and I feel for you, Niero. I think legal counsel is a very good idea, and I also think you probably * should* fire the writer in question,”

Interestingly enough, only one person actually asked whether or not the alleged “victim” in question should actually be questioned first before anyone made any rash decisions to fire a writer for exposing an issue that consumers should be made aware of. However, following through with fact-checking was immediately shot down.

According to an unpublished Reddit post, one that you can read in its entirety and completely uncensored here on Pastebin, Pinsof claims that he was actually fired on May 17th; the day that Gonzalez had consulted with the Game Journo Pros.

[Update: The e-mail exchange with Niero telling Allistair that he’s fired on May 17th has been confirmed.]

The unpublished Reddit post explains that…

“I was terminated on May 17, after which I immediately go back on Twitter. So, I did not return to Twitter during my suspension but only after being fired from the company. My firing wasn’t made public at the time, possibly to build the narrative of me being active on Twitter during suspension so the above accusation could eventually be made for the company’s benefit.”

This was something Allistair states in the e-mail exchange that was leaked, which ended up on NeoGaf. The exchange happened on May 18th, 2013.

If you can’t read it, Gonzalez states…

“You haven’t been fired though, you’re still under suspension, you still work here numbnuts.”

Pinsof replies in a follow-up, suggesting that there’s another undisclosed e-mail that states that he’s fired. He opts to take a letter of recommendation from Gonzalez and part ways with Destructoid on good terms.

Gonzalez asks if Pinsof is resigning, and that the only recommendation he was giving was for him to stay off Twitter.

Allistair repeats an e-mail exchange that he had with Gonzales on May 17th. You can view the original e-mail exchange here.

Pinsof quotes an exchange where “Niero” stated…

“What would Gawker do? Probably run with what they have, threaten her for more info, and posting every step after. If you want to go that route please walk a fine line not to get sued for libel. Use “suspicious circumstances” instead of “fraud” etc.”

“Id pull those tweets down asap. You’re risking over-exposure. If you’re wrong or she can cover it up (better than you can disprove it) I’m going to have a lynch mob pounding my door for you.”

Two links for Pinsof were posted in the e-mail as leads for him to follow, suggesting some kind of support from the higher-ups. The e-mail is dated April 9th, around the time when the whole event was unfolding.

Allistair further stated in the e-mail…

“Even after all the mental stress, libel, and mob attacks you are causing – when we could have all gone our merry by now – you are trying to attack my credibility. Why? I did more damage control today than you did during this whole thing. Good thing you listened to Gawker, right? I won’t throw you or anyone else under the bus because I don’t do that. However, if I apply to a job in the future and if they should ask about Destructoid, I put my trust in you, in hopes you’d do damage control and I could eventually work my way back up through good work. Instead, you do this. You threw me under the bus, lie about everything, manipulated my good intentions, and then try to keep me on a leash. For what? For a mob that already moved on? For a mob that never read our site or a gaming site? For a mob that cared so much about [Redacted] that they sent a total of two emails of support to [Redacted]?”

Allistair asks for cooler heads to prevail and that emotions be left at the door. Ultimately, he just wanted a recommendation from Gonzalez so he could move on with his life. Gonzalez, however, replied with the following…

“Al, [..] I wrote you up for your conduct on twitter and disobeying multiple orders. You remain on suspension. As you know, [D]ale [North] is back from E3 on Monday and we will review your job here.”

What Allistair Pinsof didn’t know was that throughout May 18th, Yanier “Niero” Gonzalez had in his ear the advice of the Game Journo Pros.

Pinsof wasn’t aware of what Gonzalez was discussing with the others, but he was aware of the Game Journo Pro group. In his unpublished Reddit post, Pinsof expressed his disappointment with the rest of the Destructoid staff for not showing more backbone, including Dale North, current editor-in-chief at Destructoid, saying…

“There are a couple major factors to this story I haven’t previously discussed in hopes of protecting people I thought would do the right thing in time, but time has passed and they haven’t. On the morning of May 13, I was told by Destructoid’s associate editor Chris Carter:

“I’m actually seeing people blame Indiegogo for “killing [Redacted],” with people calling for a boycott, and I’ve even seen a few death threats to Indiegogo staff. I’ve also seen a few people call to boycott Twitch.
To think this scammer is getting away with everything, and is passing the blame is pretty unbelievable.”

This was followed by a month of back and forth with Destructoid staff, but rarely my managing editors who, in the past, gave me commands to change or stop a story. What I got instead was encouragement to pursue the story from Destructoid Publisher Niero Gonzalez (who rarely if ever gives editorial feedback to staff), associate editor Jonathan Holmes mocking me for taking [Redacted] suicide attempts seriously, and complete silence from the managing editors who advised me through ethically complex issues in the past (mainly Conrad Zimmerman, but by title Editor-in-Chief Dale North, News Manager Jordan Devore, and Managing Editor Hamza Aziz should have chimed in especially given the serious actions that were to follow).”

 

On May 19th, Allistair sent the following e-mail to Gonzalez, stating…

I think since the beginning we’ve all been assuming the worse in each other and everyone watching. I look forward to talking on the phone Monday and hope we can all approach with cooler heads. Sunday will just be a Sunday and we can see where all of this is heading on Monday. I don’t think it’s fair to expect me to come to San Francisco for a meeting.” […]

“I’m not against the removal of any information out on the Twitters, but let’s discuss that Monday.”

Pinsof took to Twitter to explain that he would not be posting again until June.

Gonzalez responded saying…

“Sounds good […] Pls pull tweets against me and I will recommend you. No worries. Let’s chat mon”

The exchange of e-mails then discuss Yanier writing out a recommendation letter for Allistair. However, Allistair wanted to discuss a few things with the Destructoid owner over the phone. He was repeatedly blown off and eventually hung up on. On May 20th Yanier “Niero” Gonzalez updated the Destructoid forum thread with the following information.

“In regards to the current situation involving Allistair Pinsof, I felt that the story could have damaging repercussions if published (as it was at that time) and on Monday May 13, I personally instructed Mr. Pinsof to hold it pending further information.

Mr. Pinsof was suspended for failing to act in accordance with these instructions by publishing the details of his research on Twitter on May 14. He was also advised to remain off of Twitter during his suspension, which he also failed to do.”

[Update: Previous to posting the information on May 20th, “Niero” had consulted with Samantha Allen from the Daily Beast on how to deal with Allistair.]

On that same day, Pinsof wrote…

“My only agenda right now is getting out of this with other employers, in the future being able to think I can be trusted and that I’m a thorough reporter. They’ll have their own opinion, good or bad, on how these events went down and that’s fine. I only care about how they perceive me in months to come.” […]

“Termination is final. You can’t turn back on it, neither can I. It also means you’d have to pay unemployment. It means other outlets and parties who know the full story will judge you for your actions and speak poorly about your staff and brand for weeks, months and years to come. I’m already getting those calls and doing my best to distract them. That’s irreparable. It also means a permanent mark on my record. It also introduces the option of wrongful termination since your contract doesn’t cover what you say are saying you are firing me for and the way things went down. I am not threatening and don’t want to discuss termination further because I have a much better solution for the two of us. Please call if you’d like to hear it and move things forward. If you don’t feel comfortable talking, let me talk to Jim or another party that you feel you can trust and can represent you.”

Allistair Pinsof’s aunt Judith P. Meyer, a mediator and arbitrator, also tried stepping in, sending “Niero” a letter to at least convince him to consider signing the recommendation so Allistair could at least have a decent chance of finding work after Destructoid, stating in the letter…

“I am aware that Allistair has been terminated and your recommendation letter of May 19 (which he shared with me) which he so desired and needs for future employment is off the table. He is also very concerned that statements about him from Destructoid that are on the web will destroy any future employment as a journalist. He in no way intended to put [Redacted] at risk. My understanding is that [Redacted] has apologized to Allistair. It was Allistair’s intent only to expose a fraudulent charity that prompted the Twitter postings and it was posted after [Redacted] attempted a suicide.”

What was Gonzalez’ response to this plea for resolution? Well, you can see it for yourself in the screenshot below, which were followed by Allistair sending an e-mail to Destructoid employees and Gonzalez sending a rebuttal.


It is true that Florida is an “at will” state, which means that an employer can fire an employee “at will” for any reason under the sun, save for three reasons. As noted on the Florida Senate website archive: 1.)They’re involved in a whistleblower suit with a governmental agency, 2.) providing information in testimony relating to legal allegations involving the employer, 3.) or the employer willfully had a person commit a criminal act and they refused.

However, there’s also a law in the state of Florida regarding wrongful combinations against workers. In other words, blacklisting. The Florida Senate Statues states under title 31, chapter 448, section 045…

Wrongful combinations against workers.—If two or more persons shall agree, conspire, combine or confederate together for the purpose of preventing any person from procuring work in any firm or corporation, or to cause the discharge of any person from work in such firm or corporation; or if any person shall verbally or by written or printed communication, threaten any injury to life, property or business of any person for the purpose of procuring the discharge of any worker in any firm or corporation, or to prevent any person from procuring work in such firm or corporation, such persons so combining shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.”

Fast forward to May 22nd, 2013 and Dale North, Destructoid’s editor-in-chief posts the following in a thread titled “You-know-who may try to contact you”, writing…

“Ugh. I can’t tell you what to do, fellow EiCs, but I can advise on what you shouldn’t do. Industry friends have informed me that a certain problem child has been reaching out to some of you”

This spawned a torrent of jokes from most members, with a few people genuinely confused as to who they were talking about. Some of the responses are below.



The idea was that Allistar Pinsof was blacklisted and North wanted to ensure that no one talked to him. In his unpublished Reddit post, Pinsof stated…

“I thought, I have the proof of how things really went down. I have the email where Niero Gonzalez encouraged an investigation rather than told me to hold on April 9, as he told the public. I have the email where associate editor Johnathan Holmes mocked me for taking [Redacted]’s suicide attempts seriously. I have the email where associate editor Chris Carter fed me false information on death threats against IndieGoGo and Twitch forming.”

“So, I brought this proof to every major website. I thought if I were them, I would want to look into this as a journalist because this is a sweeping display of corruption within a prominent game business. If nothing else, hear the other side of the story because you can bet they’ve heard Niero’s.”

“Except, nobody did. Nobody wanted to risk writing about a fellow game site because, in more ways than one, they are all in bed together. It’s easier to keep the exclusive club intact than to tackle this ethically complex issue. And above all, there was no immediate financial incentive to reporting corruption in game journalism since it wouldn’t get the views that reporting corruption in game studios would.”

Interesting enough, Pinsof states that only Patricia Hernandez from Kotaku was interested in the story, even though she was close friends with Anna Anthropy, who Pinsof claims was one of the individuals asking for him to be fired on Twitter. In fact, In one of the conversations with Gonzalez, Allistair asks for help in quelling some of the vitriol aimed at the situation that was stirred up by Anthropy…

Allistair further adds…

“I would later learn [Kotaku] blacklisted me and weren’t the only one.”

“Instead, I got Joystiq editor Alexander Sliwinski who called me out of curiosity and laughed at the absurd actions of Destructoid’s managing staff. I felt hopeful. He said that would never happen at Joystiq because they can afford lawyers and don’t throw staff under the bus. But in the end, it was all just a cute story for him to tell others for a laugh. He never spoke to me again or agreed to help me.”

“Instead, I got calls from other journalists involved in past controversies telling me that you can’t trust other journalists to help you, and that you need to keep your head down and accept your situation. That situation being, the site you worked for is corrupt and no one else cares.”

Nevertheless, I reached out to Yanier “Niero” Gonzalez, the owner of Destructoid, regarding his stance on Allistair Pinsof, and whether or not Gonzalez stated that if Pinsof ever spoke up about the situation that he would add to his byline “WORST EMPLOYEE EVER DO NOT HIRE!”. Gonzalez stated…

“He left with universal disapproval of all my staff, deleted some very nasty tweets, and its true that I think nobody should ever work with that guy.”

“The guy embarrassed himself out of the industry. Its sad and we all think hes an asshole but its also a sad shame that he fucked up an otherwise bright career ahead.”

“Whatever you think youre going to gain by publishing this is going to do more harm to his credibilty (and possibly yours) than bother me.”

I wonder if some journalists are aware that colluding to blacklist someone from employment is considered illegal in some states?

Nevertheless, “Niero’s” statements were actually confirmed by Allistair, who wrote in his unpublished Reddit piece…

“I have decided I am done with game journalism, in spite of it being done with me months ago, and that enough time has passed to let parties make the right decisions — time passed and they didn’t. I’ve kept silent due to threats against me by Destructoid’s Publisher Yanier ‘Niero’ Gonzalez — that he would change my byline to “WORST EMPLOYEE EVER DO NOT HIRE!” on all articles and possibly delete my work from the past two years — but I have decided I shouldn’t let fear rule my life.”

Interestingly enough, Allistair isn’t the first Destructoid employee to make this claim. Holly Green, a former writer for Destructoid and current managing editor at GameRanx, unloaded on Twitter (the tweets have since been deleted), stating…

“You know, y’all really piss me off. Radio silence on what Dtoid did to me while you piss your pants straining to defend others.”

“Hypocrites. You’ll take that easy opportunity to prove your loyalty without ever actually sticking your neck out for anyone. So go ahead, keep pressing that flesh with abusers and assholes. Ya pricks.”

“They threatened me, erased my body of work, and repeatedly ignore or deny sexual misconduct. But I’m the bad guy.”

“These injustices you wish to fight for women in this industry? They go so deep. You’ll never know. You will always take the easy route. Pricks, con artists, and fakes. You only speak up when it benefits your career, not when ppl need you.”

I reached out to Holly Green, I was unable to get a response at the time of the publishing of this article.

As for Pinsof… he’s moved on with his life, and yet a part of him still wants justice for what transpired.

If for nothing else, his story and Holly Green’s testimony are at least out there. The blacklist seems to hold some weight, hinted at by Gonzalez’ threats, Allistair’s claims, Holly Green’s tirade, and the Game Journo Pro communications.

Allistair Spinof wants to pursue a career making games, but with such a corrupt system, is it even possible for his game to get coverage from the same people who didn’t mind ruining his career? Things will need to change. This kind of corruption needs to be exposed for the toxicity that it is.

[Update #2:] Yanier “Niero” Gonzalez has amended his quotes on the situation, stating [Full quotes from “Niero” are here]…

“How exactly is it collusion when I very openly expressed my feelings on the web’s biggest gaming industry forum, and LATER nudged others not following that conversation?

You also failed to notice my tone change *after* his personal attacks and insults, which were also public on twitter, reddit, and so on — which hd of course deleted but I have screenshots of.

Beyond proof, he disobeyed my wishes, who is his boss, from hour zero. You do this as vice president or retail cashier and youre fired. End of story. What followed is a mess that you can color any way you want

Destructoid is my hobby. Its a blog and there are blog contributors. I dont enjoy deleting stories or ruining the lives of others in my free time. Dozens of people have left dtoid on good terms and their work is up there.

Im not a newspaper or government service that swears to forever host stories. Nowhere on my site does it say we are journalists. We clown out journalists constantly.

This is my hobby.

I do this because I love videogames and gamers.”

[Update #3: The aftermath involving Editor-in-chief Dale North’s resignation.]

[Disclosure: I was a former member of the Game Journo Pros e-mail group]

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  • Pdugna

    holy fucking shit, I knew Dtoid was stupid with their twitch channel but this is utterly fucked up.

  • Keinart

    Holy fucking shit. This is BIG. tl;rd for people: game journos pro collide to basically ruin someone life because he wanted to talk about something that concern gamers.

    Basically corruption to the max, ruining someone life because their contacts and their agenda is more important. How is this even a thing? This is what GamerGate is about, spread this please.

    • Nigel Derek

      What? The article doesn’t even mention what Pinsof did. This is the definition of one-sided reporting.

      • Nigel Derek

        https://gamersagainstbigotry.org/2013/05/chloe-allistair-roundtable/
        Here’s a discussion between Pinsof and the transgender woman he outed against the advice of his employer, for anyone interested. Seems like they both think they fucked up.

      • Jarod Frye

        The Problem with that is that what he didn’t wasn’t wrong especially since she was STEALING MONEY From others. Was he supposed to just let her get away with it? No, He wasn’t right but he damn sure shouldn’t have gotten fired for it.

      • Nigel Derek

        So, you don’t think what he did was right, but you don’t think his boss should have fired him – for doing something you admit was wrong, that he’d been explicitly asked not to do. OK?

      • Jarod Frye

        Actually missed my point. I’m stating what he did shouldn’t have gotten him fired. AT ALL!

      • Nigel Derek

        And Im trying to get you to explain your position – he fucked up, by his own admission and by your own – and then muddied the waters further by talking shit about everyone he worked with. Why did he deserve to keep his job?

      • Jarod Frye

        Because he DID admit he fucked up. But If you looked above people BLACKLISTED him for it. Even after Admitting he fucked up.

      • Nigel Derek

        Yep, I see that the article uses the word blacklist several times. I don’t see any evidence for it, or even a description of how this ‘blacklisting’ works. Half the ‘evidence’ here seems to come from an unpublished Reddit post by Pinsof himself?

      • Jarod Frye

        And? That still doesn’t seem friggin shady to you, especially since the man refused to give him a recommendation after TELLING Him he was only suspended? Even though a different email stated otherwise? Hell nobody even knew that he was permanently fired UNTIL This story broke. Not exactly cool, and if this is not collusion to blacklist somebody from hire then…I dunno what to tell ya

      • Nigel Derek

        That email exchange is absurd – Pinsof gets mad because he thinks he’s fired, Niero tells him he’s only suspended and Pinsof replies demanding a recommendation? Why do you think that Pinsof deserved a recommendation? You seem to think he’s entitled to his job despite screwing up massively.

      • Jarod Frye

        Read the article again, HE WAS GIVEN A EMAIL STATING HE WAS INDEED FIRED!

      • lol… bro, you’re getting trolled by Nigel.

        https://i.imgur.com/P1h3qID.gif

      • Nigel Derek

        So Billy, from your below comment I gather you wrote this article… any reason you chose not to include a description of what Pinsof did to start all this?

      • It’s already included in the e-mails, the exchanges, the linked articles, the pastebin file, the screenshots, the NeoGaf links and… Google. 🙂

      • Nigel Derek

        Uh huh. But you felt that the woman in question’s name needed to be redacted, to protect her identity, which suggests you agree with Niero?

      • One of the conditions for being allowed to publish some of this information is that certain details of the scenario in question was to be withheld at the request of the parties involved. I mentioned this at the top of the article. 🙂

      • Nigel Derek

        So your source, Pinsof, would only talk to you on condition that you didn’t mention any of the stupid shit he got fired for, and you agreed. Ethics in journalism.

      • Jarod Frye

        Except for the fact he did cover it in the start of the article and DID Mention what he was suspended for. Just not the name of the Dev, because she has no reason to be in the story. (He even posted a link to where Both Allistar and Chloe spoke about the incident, where she CLEARLY stated that Allistar was not the reason for her attempted suicide.)

      • Nigel Derek

        Oh yeah, here: “In early May, Pinsof exposed certain information about the crowdfunding campaign to the public, but in doing so riled up a lot of vitriol from certain communities.”

        That’s extremely vague. It seems deliberately worded to make us think that this is some SJW overreaction without actually telling us what happened.

      • Jarod Frye

        DEAR OMISSION,

        “-After discussing some of the events on Twitter, both the individual involved with the IndieGoGo and Pinsof resolved the situation in a roundtable discussion at Gamers Against Bigotry, on May 18th, 2013. All would seem well in the world… except, it wasn’t.”

        He also discussed the fact that they both buried the hachet, became good friends, and moved on.

        He discussed the entire situation, without throwing ANYONE under the bus and even approving of how positive it ended up being. (And that May 17th article was VERY Positive, heartwarming even.)

      • Nigel Derek

        Uuhhhh nothing in there explains what happened either. The closest the writer comes is linking to the roundtable discussion, which itself explains very little, assuming that readers already know the story.

        You’re ignoring the fact that Billy agreed to present the story in a way which was flattering to Pinsof in exchange for access to (totally unverified) information. Ethics, in, journalism.

      • Jarod Frye

        Because the News of the roundtable IS Very well known, and It was DAMN huge! It’s why Transgender Issues in Video Games became so prominent.

        Also He did ask for Neiro’s Input on the story, as stated here.

        (““He left with universal disapproval of all my staff, deleted some very nasty tweets, and its true that I think nobody should ever work with that guy.”

        “The guy embarrassed himself out of the industry. Its sad and we all think hes an asshole but its also a sad shame that he fucked up an otherwise bright career ahead.”

        “Whatever you think youre going to gain by publishing this is going to do more harm to his credibilty (and possibly yours) than bother me.”)

      • Nigel Derek

        If we all know about it why did he spend several paragraphs vaguely describing what happened? It honestly reads as an attempt to make this sound like a controversy over nothing to those unfamiliar with the story.

      • JackDandy

        Geez, I’ll make it simple for ya.

        Guy wants to do a sex change operation.

        Guy has no money.

        Does a crowdfunding thing , saying it’s money for a life-saving surgery.

        Allistair publicizes the fact the crowdfund is fradulent.

        Gets hammered by people in the trans community, most extensively by Samantha Allen (Who published a literal “I hate men” article https://archive.today/iITfR)

        Then, gets fired by Dtoid and blacklisted.

        For telling the truth about a fraudulent crowdfund.

      • FlyByNight

        Not to mention anybody that brought this up was banned or kept on a shit list by the mods.

      • C G Saturation

        Okay, at this point it’s clear your comments are plain trolling.

      • Nigel Derek

        I’m genuinely puzzled as to why people are thinking that. If there’s some smoking gun that I’m missing then no-one has seen fit to point it out – as with nearly every GG “scoop” I’ve seen, this provides just enough info to confirm people’s conspiracy theories without actually explaining anything in terms that the uninitiated can understand.

        Anyway, I’m ducking out now because commenting on my phone is a glitchy nightmare. Peace out

      • Billy Magada

        On no I think actually believe it to a fault. I’ve seen this all over the gamergate stuff. He won’t stop until he feels he’s won, which is silly because he won’t.

      • Jarod Frye

        Yeah, Chloe Sagal has nothing to do with this anyway, Including her in this would be unfair to her, especially since this story doesn’t involve her.

      • Jarod Frye

        “Pinsof replies in a follow-up, suggesting that there’s another undisclosed e-mail that states that he’s fired. He opts to take a letter of recommendation from Gonzalez and part ways with Destructoid on good terms.”

      • Nigel Derek

        That’s totally at odds with what he actually said in the email. Saying he ‘opts to take a recommendation’ implies that it was offered as an option, when it wasn’t – he just demanded it. Why do you think he deserved anything after what he did – bearing mind that both you and he have admitted that it was wrong?

      • Jarod Frye

        1. Wrong is not Unethical, as stated he did show concern for the person he was indeed reporting on, and even his tweets of the situation lacked any malice against her.

        2. And No it’s not, look at the email, the VERY LAST Post of that email exchange states the same thing! He had a prior email already TELLING him he was fired. Seriously, how can you not look at the email and see that?

      • Nigel Derek

        I honestly don’t understand your position, and you’re not really answering my questions.

        Pinsof fucked up, made himself internet villain-of-the-week by causing a woman to attempt suicide, then dissed his employers and generally acted like a loose cannon. His boss fired him for disobeying him and embarassing the company, and no-one else wanted to hire him after the shitstorm he’d caused and the way he’d behaved afterwards. Please tell me how any of this relates to journalistic ethics?

      • Jarod Frye

        WRONG. She attempted Suicide, BEFORE He posted the information! In Fact she was in the psyche hospital during the time, which all but guaranteed her safety

      • Ncrdrg

        Well, hello. This relates because in the GJP leaks, editors and people from RIVAL SITES fucking advised him to get rid of him!

        This is the very definition of collusion. Orland flat out saying “He has to go”. The guy is from Ars Technica, not Destructoid. Pressuring to fire an employee from a competing outlet is beyond unethical, this should be a firing offense. Kyle Orland deserves to be sacked.

        This is the point where Pinsof should sue over this IMHO. It’s illegal, as stated in the article to collude to fire a person. For what?! The mistake of good journalism? Letting people know of a scam? What was he supposed to do, bury the damn story and hope it all goes away? She was in hospital, had already had attempted suicide, this was his opportunity to prevent others from spending money on something that was being falsely represented.

      • Nigel Derek

        I didn’t see Orland saying that in the article? If he did, it’s still not proof of collusion – Pinsof would have to prove that he wouldn’t have been fired anyway, which is a big claim considering the scale of the shitstorm he’d caused.

        Journalists have a duty to balance the safety of individuals with the public interest, and that’s where Pinsof fucked up – Niero and everybody else wanted to be careful with pursuing the story after learning that the person involved was a closeted transgender woman, but Pinsof went ahead and pulled the trigger anyway. The story was certainly in the public interest and people had a right to know that the campaign was fraudulent – we agree on this – but her identity didn’t need to be revealed.

        p.s. trying to justify it by saying she’d already committed suicide is really shitty. Just because someone’s already down doesn’t make it ok to kick them.

      • Jarod Frye

        She didn’t commit suicide! She attempted, was rescued, and was placed in Psychiatric examination.

      • Nigel Derek

        *attempted, my bad

      • Ncrdrg

        Nothing shitty about this. She was in the hospital, this shit was wearing down on her. He did care about her safety. This is something that had to be outed.

      • Ncrdrg

        Or are you purposely ignoring the part where even she says not to blame him for what he did? So why are you, exactly? It really feels like you’re trolling us here.

      • Nigel Derek

        I’m certainly not ignoring that – it’s worth noting that she seems very self-hating in that discussion, constantly blaming and criticising herself.

        Are you ignoring the numerous times Pinsof says that what he did was wrong? I’m genuinely not trying to troll, but there are some major inconsistencies in the way this is all being discussed.

      • Jarod Frye

        And he does his best throughout the interview comfort her and tell her that she wasn’t wrong. He truly did care about her safety, and again, They became DAMN Good friends.

        He was fired AFTER that article.

      • Yep, and what’s worse is that Niero tells him he did a darn fine job running damage control for Destructoid in that piece.

        Terrible.

      • Ncrdrg

        Yes, Pinsof seems guilty about this. But I don’t hold the same view on this. She lied, people were spending money on a lie. He had a responsibility to out the campaign. And since she was in the hospital, her safety was insured.

        I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this.

      • Nigel Derek

        Being in a hospital doesn’t mean you’re safe from suicide, or from further mental damage.

        My point stands that he didn’t need to out her as transgender to report the story – it could have been a story about a man scamming people out of money for an unspecified surgery, and people would be warned away without causing further damage to Chloe.

      • Jarod Frye

        Except he did. Since the whole point of the scam was that she was trying to pay for her surgery, Not helped by the fact that it was already internet rumor and pretty much uncomfirmed fact. It would’ve been seen as omitting the story to the reader.

        She wasn’t attacked for the reveal btw. In Fact she gained MORE support for it, combined that with the discussed interview. It pretty much saved her life.

      • Nigel Derek

        And as I just said, he didn’t need to give details of the surgery to warn people off the campaign.

      • Jarod Frye

        Except he did because the campaign was about her LYING about an undisclosed surgery.

      • Nigel Derek

        Aaaaaand he didn’t need to say what the undisclosed surgery was. This is not complicated.

      • Jarod Frye

        Read above. It would’ve just painted IndieGoGo in a worse light if anything. Remember that he was TRICKED into believing that IndieGoGo and Twitch were being Sent Death Threats and had hate mobs called upon them due to her attempted suicide.

        This is sadly a case of Damned if he did, damned if he didn’t. He would’ve been stuck either way.

      • Jarod Frye

        Also, Destructoid in GENERAL did not take her Suicide seriously.

        “associate editor Jonathan Holmes mocking me for taking Chloe’s suicide attempts seriously, and complete silence from the managing editors who advised me through ethically complex issues in the past”

        He (Allistair) Was the ONLY one that did.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        ^ Love IT!

        Nigel Logic: “He shouldn’t have mentioned this individual was trying to get a transgender surgery because it would cause her harm”

        ‘Outing’ her as transgender gets her more support and public sympathy

        Nigel Logic: “See, he shouldn’t have done that.”

        Why, because in your SJW head it only makes sense that gamers (and society at large) MUST hate transgender people by default, and they MUST be in harms way all the time, and therefore not be publicly identified as a trans individual? Thank heavens the LGBT community said, “We’re here, we’re queer, get over it.” Can’t imagine what they would have said on your advice, “We’re here, not queer, not even a little bit.”

      • JMessun

        I just want to butt in here and say that I agree – it wasn’t necessary to give her details out in his article. In fact, the writer is also apologetic about that, as seen in the Gamers vs Bigotry blog.
        That wouldn’t have made much of an article, but that is another topic.

        A concern is, however, that Niero has said that the article would have been published next week anyway. I’m genuinely confused at the moment, because them publishing the same/retouched article would still out the transgender person. Could you share what, from your understanding, their intentions actually were?

      • Jarod Frye

        Also “Journalists have a duty to balance the safety of individuals with the public interest, and that’s where Pinsof fucked up – Niero and everybody else wanted to be careful with pursuing the story after learning that the person involved was a closeted transgender woman, but Pinsof went ahead and pulled the trigger anyway. The story was certainly in the public interest and people had a right to know that the campaign was fraudulent – we agree on this – but her identity didn’t need to be revealed.”

        Wrong here. They were actually OKAY with him making a news article about it.

        https://pastebin.com/nnR5gqdX

        as stated here. The Problem came from AFTER The fact.


        With the sudden information that A) Chloe was safe in a hospital, B) a mob against charity site IndieGoGo was forming (death threats and public protest included) and C) not only did people not know they were scammed but there was discussion of starting new charities for Chloe, I realized I was the only one who could prevent further harm and this would be the only time I could do it without Chloe killing herself in reaction.

        The thing is, there was never really a mob. I acted on bad information given to me by staff. From the start, I took responsibility for my actions but I did so expecting my staff would back me and be honest as well. Instead, they turned a cold shoulder and fed me to the wolves.

        HE WAS LIED TO that IndieGoGo was under attack from a hate mob.

      • Jarod Frye

        https://imgur.com/8ABtKiP Or did you miss this post right here?

      • Nigel Derek

        Yep, that’s the image I’m referring to.

      • Loki

        I guess you can’t read then, fucking idiot.

      • Jarod Frye

        Even after everything was patched up and things were finally going to some sense of Normalcy. Nope just Blacklist him, because he actually told the truth about somebody TRYING TO STEAL MONEY FROM OTHERS!

      • Ajt

        I don’t think anyone has said he deserve to keep his job. Regardless of specifics he deliberately acted against his publishers wishes regarding the story. That’s a legitimate firing at any place of employment.

        What he did not only deserve but actually had a legal right and expectation was that his publisher not directly collude with other companies in the industry both on the matter and nature of his firing, and later to actively black list him from the industry. Once again what Destructoid and the assorted member editors on the GJP did was incredibly incredibly illegal. There is a reason why for the past 30 years businesses will only verify the employment of a past employee. Yes be worked here from X to Y. They will offer no further commentary. What these clowns did on GJP is pure High School. It should never have entered into a place of business. It is triply appalling that it was a journalistic business in which the participants had ethical and legal obligations to know better.

      • Christian George

        Why do you care more that he might have been an asshole than that he exposed a fraud and lost his career for it? You can be pedantic all you want but the cunt was stealing from people in the worst way possible and all you care about is your perceived insensitivity or whatever the fuck. Think what you want of the man – thats irrelevant – but don’t sit here and defend a thief so you can be right on the internet. C’mon dude.

      • Jarod Frye

        Hell even the suspension was too much. Even though Pinsof did break an ethical code himself. He also made sure to follow up on another Code of Ethics

        “Show compassion for those who may be affected by news coverage. Use heightened sensitivity when dealing with juveniles, victims of sex crimes, and sources or subjects who are inexperienced or unable to give consent. Consider cultural differences in approach and treatment.”

        Basically he did his job and still got fired for it, and it was COLLUDED for that to do so. That’s what pisses me off.

      • Nigel Derek

        “Show compassion for those who may be affected by news coverage”
        He outed a transgender woman despite being advised not to, causing her to attempt to commit suicide. When he tried to shop his story around to other sites, no-one wanted to touch it with a bargepole because this was what he was famous for.

      • Jarod Frye

        And he ended up being the one who saved her ass. Even help fund her legitimate GoFund Me. I’d say that’s showing compassion bro.

      • Jarod Frye

        So he was famous for telling the truth.
        Yeah…

      • Auron

        You mean he outed someone(gender is irrelevant) lying to the public at large about being near death.

      • Loki

        She was STEALING MONEY, doing so in the worst way possible by people’s good will to ‘save her life’. She might as well have defrauded Childrens hospital fund or something. Who gives a shit it’s a transgendered person. Are you saying a person like that is exempt from scrutiny and the law?
        Her committing suicide would be on HER, she is the one committing a fraud and being the bad person. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime is a good adage for this VILE person.

        Clearly Nigel you are in this gaming journo industry one way or another. Can smell it a mile away.

      • Jarod Frye

        He was NEVER advised not to, In fact it is shown he was ENCOURAGED TO! The only person who told him it otherwise was Neiro, and as he stated It was merely opinion.

      • bobbyflavor

        He “outed a transgender woman” in the same way journos outed gay republicans who engage in criminal acts.

      • FuryOfFirestorm

        It was pretty much impossible to report on the fraud without exposing her as a trans woman. He could have said, “some person is committing charity fraud for undisclosed reasons”, but that wouldn’t be taken seriously and he’d be pressed to give out the pertinent info anyway to back up his claim.

      • Pepep Popep

        The identitiy of this person was trying to be protected now, in case you didn’t notice. There’s a link to gamersagainstbigotry in this article.

      • Ajt

        A reasonable argument can be made that it was the Trasgendered woman’s own fraud that was the cause of the outing. It’s a bit more complex than simply outing someone’s sexual orientation or gender perceptions. You can privately live your life how you so wish and your privacy should be protected up to the point where you fraudulently solicit funds in support of said wishes. The problem is the transgendered persons sexuality was an element of the fraud. Which makes it near impossible to go undisclosed once the fraud is investigated. Could it have been handled more delicately? Possibly. But any third parties responsibility both regarding outing and regarding the later suicide attempt ended when the Dev solicited and accepted the funds under false presences.

      • Kelly Maxwell

        Nigel. the threat to kill herself was just a sham to emotionally manipulate him into not doing the story. Don’t be naive.

      • fjodor

        Not taking sides here but didn’t she attempt to commit suicide before he outed her and not because of?

      • Ackbar

        Oh but reporting on soliciting donations under false information is a bad thing now. No one wanted to touch it because as usual, they’re all in the same bed. Can’t tell the story otherwise they piss off all their little friends and the same shit happens to them.

      • Everyday Legend

        But that person was collecting money in falsehood – they were claiming that they were poisoned by heavy metals or something like that, when the money was going toward gender-reassignment treatment and operation costs. They were guilty of fraud, and that’s where that particular shield got useless, imo.

      • ArsenicSundae

        The truth comes first. The truth always come first. Be compassionate in how your relay it but never, ever hide it or knowingly obscure it. Any journalist who fails to understand that should go into writing fiction because nothing they have to say should ever be believed.

      • Loki

        So what gaming magazine do you work for? Clearly a shill.

      • Joel Nova

        He wasn’t explicitly asked. His boss said ” I’d pull those tweets ASAP.” He didn’t say “Direct order, Pull those tweets ASAP”. If anything he was implicitly asked. Like Pinsof said, the entire org, even his mentors, was giving him the cold shoulder about the whole situation. They left him out to dry.

      • Jo Blo

        “He”…”him”…”his”

      • Heimer

        That does not excuse collusion. This might be a terrible analogy, but it’s like saying that Nixon was justified for Watergate because some Democrats were assholes.

      • Nigel Derek

        Collusion between whom?

      • C G Saturation

        You and your face.

      • Jarod Frye

        Heimer, Look above you missed my point complete

      • Ajt

        It does not matter. Destructoid was within bounds for firing Pinsof regarding the editorial dispute. Under state laws that was fine, and isn’t the story here. It does not matter if what Pinsoff did did or did not warrant firing. The story here is the collusion on HR matters and blacklisting across competing businesses via the GJP. That is unbelievably bad under Florida Law. In fact so bad that it is dancing rather close to the edge of racketeering and criminal enterprise. If there is anything to a side Comment William Usher made in his last article regarding $200 payments from publishers being circulated and discussed on the list than it is very very bad. And it has nothing to do with what Pinsoft’s story was originally about.

      • Everyday Legend
      • Everyday Legend
      • Everyday Legend
      • FlyByNight

        He told on a man claiming to be a woman getting free money to become a woman since he/she hated men so much.

    • C G Saturation

      I remember this, back from when it happened. I think I only caught a vague portion of it, but I did make some comments on Destructoid about the questionability of it.

      Figures we’d come full circle and see the rest of it.

    • MarkAnonRok

      contact attorney general or and local poletitian

    • Martin Trybus

      Thanks for TL;DR, I’m on my phone and reading long articles on it is eye-fucking.

      That’s horrible what they were trying to do, this is why I support GamerGate.

  • William, thank you for this article. This is shitty treatment of Alex, who was only doing what a reporter should. Also, if you’re redacting names, I think you missed one. Just a heads up.

    • Screw me sideways on a pinapple. Thanks for catching that. Nearly 4k words and I tried to nab ’em all. Thanks for having my back, bud.

      • Always! If you want or need a proofreader or anything like that, let me know. I have too much time on my hands as it is.

  • Arcon

    Here is something Holly Green said about corruption during the initial GamerGate push, though she has denounced GG in future twitter posts (Id speculate that its in order to keep her job, she works at Cheong’s Gameranx)

    • Guest

      Doesnt seem to want to upload the images

      • put it on imgur and link it

    • Arcon

      It didnt seem to upload the images, have an imgur album https://imgur.com/a/GykRg

    • C G Saturation

      Hah. Those posts are spot on accurate. If I was her, I wouldn’t be able to keep working for a cancer like Gameranx and its creator, and still manage to sleep at night.

      • bazzar

        From what I know about Cheong I wouldn’t be able to be in the same room as him.

      • C G Saturation

        Not without a weapon of some kind, at least.

      • bazzar

        one can hope.

    • Vecha

      Damn…that’s depressing.

  • Allistair, if you’re reading this, if you do develop a game, make it under a pseudonym and hire someone with a good face that’s different to yours to talk about it.

    ~Attack On Gaming

  • The Winning One

    Ho. Ly. Shit.

    Corruption and collusion at it’s finest. No wonder the opponents wanted to slander this revolt this week. They’re fucking done, son.

  • brisk

    Speechless… This is it, we really have to take these guys down. We absolutely cannot let shit like this slide any longer.

    • Retweet this to people like TotalBiscuit and Boogie2988 or Internet Aristocrat. Just get it out there so more people will come forward and talk to sites like Niche Gamer or Attack on Gaming, Gamer Headlines or APG Nation, etc. This is the the rekt cannon #GG needs.

      https://i.minus.com/iVIVUF1NFns7s.gif

      • FuryOfFirestorm

        My only fear is that this is a very complicated matter that requires careful review of the emails to understand what really happened. Most people aren’t going to do that, and Gawker, Gamasutra, etc. are just going to distill it into misleading headlines: “Former Destructiod writer fired for driving trans woman to suicide!”

      • C G Saturation

        Didn’t they already do that?

        I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to spin it as “GamerGate drives trans woman to suicide”. The mentally handicapped masses won’t even notice that it’s an incident from last year, just like they utterly failed to grasp the year that Depression Quest was released.

      • FuryOfFirestorm

        Yes, but if we bring this to light again with the new knowledge of the collusion to terminate and blackball Alistair, they’ll just spin it to make it look like he outed a trans woman just to be an asshole, which was not the case.

      • Roland Bjorkman

        Good point. No one was bothered that a feminist made a game about depression when it came out. It wasn’t until many months later when people learned about what she’d been up to that people started criticizing her and the media.

      • I tried hard as heck to steer the narrative toward blackballing and corruption. But you are right.

        We need to signal boost this to people like Erik Kain and Milo and hope they focus on the corrupt GJP. And for the love of Jove, Kain can’t deny the evidence this time around.

  • Ms_Fortune

    Burn you son of a bitch, BURN, you 2 faced rat, we trusted you Niero, you built your site on the community and you’ve been pulling this shit for god knows how long.

    FUCK YOU, burn you for what you have done you bastard.

    I finally understand why your sites went to shit, YOU ARE REAPING WHAT YOU SOW, TAKE NOTE NIERO, YOU SPREAD HATRED AND MALICE AND YOU GET IT 10 FOLD IN RETURN.

    I only hope the few innocent employees you still have can walk away from your garbage site unscathed.

    I’m not surprised at the Dale comments either, dude was always a dope, this is also the same man that announced the firing of multiple employees and then a day later posted pictures of his new car on Twitter,.

    • Vecha

      It saddens me to know end. Loved the community, but I can’t bear to give the sites anymore clicks.

      Same happened with me finally leaving kotaku. Gonna miss some commenters

      • Tubby

        Some dtoiders made https://digitalconfederacy.com/forums/index.php
        knowing this would be coming up. There’s a front page as well that is nothing but contributions from the community.

      • Tubby

        Also, it seems you recent blog was deleted. Did you do that or someone else delete it?

    • PhilK3nS3bb3n

      Calm down lady. Jeez.

    • Siveon

      Oh man, I remember you. You kept getting into those arguments on Dtoid whenever you brought GG up.

      That must have sucked.

  • minmod

    Was it just me, or did I just hear another smoking gun go off

  • Falcus

    We were right all along.

  • Lenny

    How much proof of corruption do we need to uncover before they stop calling us misogynists and someone actually steps down/gets fired?

    This is outrageous.

    • Billy Magada

      Doesn’t help at the moment the momentum was shifting amazing their lives are being threatened…..just amazing. Some people might call that an excellent coincidence. You know because its what happens every time Sarkessian wants to push something……kind of funny right?

  • Bamp

    Pinsof was fired for outing a transgender woman…he is an asshole

    • Patashu

      Is this true?

      • C G Saturation

        Only in the skewed eyes of “professional journalism”, where facts and ethics don’t matter.

    • Jarod Frye

      Yes and No. Yes he did out the woman, but The woman was also Using Indiegogo money to pay for her botched surgery.

    • C G Saturation

      From what I recall, he went out of his way to help her. He just didn’t feel it was ethically correct to intentionally scam people and use the cash for a totally different purpose. And you know what? He’s damn right.

    • Sand Ripper

      So you don’t have a problem with her being a liar who was stealing money from the public?

      I guess it’s okay to be deceitful if you’re a member of an oppressed minority group.

  • Audie Bakerson

    I followed Allistair since his dismissal and was wondering why he was so quiet about gamergate. Now I know why.

    God speed Allistair!

    • C G Saturation

      I hope he gets the vindication he deserves.

  • Steven Simmons

    But remember, corruption in the gaming industry is “farcical”…

    • minmod

      Kyle Orland: “The group is totally harmless! We just chatted and stuff!”

      “That guy needs to go.”

      • fjodor

        I don’t think seeking advice with other editors/chiefs/bosses/BigCheeses on how to react upon a “misbehaving” employee would alone imply collusion in the industry. I think Kyle Orland gave his opinion based on what information he was presented with by Niero and given that he of course gave his version of the whole spectacle would probably be pretty much non-favorable for Allistar thus leading to “That guy needs to go”… Just so that is thrown out there. The aftermath on the other hand more or less reeks but I’m not touching smelly stuff more than necessary so I will leave that debate for the pro’s.

      • fjodor

        I think I maybe jumped the gun a little about Kyle Orland’s “That guy needs to go” after rereading some of the email and timelines… I’m just going to leave my post up there and let you guys decide if it is a plausible explanation on behavior or not. To quote Einstein; The Internet is full of smrt people.

  • AlexiusY

    YES! FINALLY!

  • Jess

    Totally fucking shameless.
    Siding with criminals and once again proving they don’t give a fuck about legitimate women’s issues at all!

    Destructoid must be erased. Fucking disgusting.

    • C G Saturation

      I haven’t been there since they mass-deleted any conversation about LW whilst telling people to fuck off. I did once visit the blog of a mod there who, AFAIK, is very much on our side. Surprised they haven’t banned the hell out of her.

      • Ninezero

        You mean Elsa?

      • PhilK3nS3bb3n

        LW?

  • Daniel

    Fuck destructoid.

  • Disgusted

    Just when you think it’s all been said, a little more comes out. Honestly what a shower of scumbags game journos have turned out to be.

    • bazzar

      this hole has no bottom

      • C G Saturation

        Other than the one they make everyone lick.

      • bazzar

        they don’t lick arseholes, they’re a willing human centipede in a complete circle.

  • 2501

    Man, l am SO glad that l don’t visit Destructoid anymore. l remember when this happened and believe me, there where many people in the D’toid community that spoke up and believed Allistair to be wrongfully terminated. He exposed a fraud crowdfunding campaign (which he promoted btw) and he ends up terminated because of the drastic action that the owner did.

    But Jesus Christ, l didn’t know his boss and other sites treated him like this. They have made sure that he doesn’t work in their sector again and they are cracking jokes about it.

    Fucking disgusting.

  • Nicolas Winitzky

    FUCK destructoid
    FUCK Kotaku
    FUCK Gawker Media

    They’re all corrupt to the bone.

  • SickOfThis

    So “outing a transgendered woman” is wrong? Surgery and pills doesn’t change your gender. WTF has become of our society if people can have the moral high ground while duping everyone about their biological sex, especially when they claim their artistic work reflect their experience as whatever gender they identify with. If a white man published a non-fiction book in which he related his life as a native american, there would be outrage, and rightfully so. In fact I believe there was been one such case, but the name eludes me.

    But when it comes to transgender the LGBT lobby is so strong these days, not only people will accept blatant revisionism, they will stone anyone who speaks up against it. The Shoah happened, so did Mao’s purges and Stalin’s gulag, and if you were born a man or a woman then you were a man or a woman at this point in time. By all means everyone should agree hassling people for their perceived gender or sexual orientation or anything really is wrong, but the answer is to stop the harassment, not to distort the truth and enact dystopia-inspired censorship.

    On another note it seems like every one controversial female indie dev or game journalist out of ten or so is transgender, even though statistics estimate the transgender population in the US to be between 1:2000 and 1:100000. Where does this disparity of representation come from? Randomness alone cannot explain such a large difference. It’s almost as if some people co-opt whatever progressive values are trendy to advance their personal brand at the expense of everyone else, including those they claim to represent.

  • Ncrdrg

    Absolutely un-fucking-believable. Expose a scam – and the backslash from it gets you fired and eventually blacklisted from the industry?! What the bloody hell is wrong with all of them? I’m done. I’m fucking done with ALL of those gaming press sites. Youtubers will fill my needs.

    Even if they change their ethics code, I’m still not visiting those sites ever again. That industry is rotten to the core and unless sites actually die due to GamerGate, I hardly see any of this ever changing. Good journalism gets you FIRED while bad journalists are polluting it and none of them gives a shit.

    • Cyberxion

      Absolutely. We need to start giving those Youtubers more exposure, and encourage developers and publishers to bring their stuff directly to us, like Nintendo does with its Nintendo Direct videos. Cut these useless middlemen out of the equation entirely, and let them languish in obscurity. We don’t need these assholes, and their conduct for the past two months running makes it clear that they feel they don’t need us either.

      So yeah, I’m with you on that.

      • bloop

        The youtubers are no better, except a handful of exceptions. They’re just as willing to take bribes as any video game website, and think it’s okay to do so without disclosing it (even though, just like game journos, they’re leagally compelled to, no one does it).

  • NorBdelta

    This rabbit hole is going all the way to the ground floor of a Chinese sweat shop at this rate

  • bazzar

    It has to be asked at this point:
    What does the board and shareholders of these media companies think of outsiders running their companies instead of the people they pay to do it?
    We need to inform them so we can discover their opinions.

  • epy

    If they had more journalist exposing their own misdeeds they wouldn’t be in this mess. This story is huge, tweet it to all media outlets.

  • LickTheEnvelope

    So it’s a cult of bad people? Colour no one surprised.

  • JackDandy

    Amazing article. Thanks for bringing it to light.
    I followed the thing as it happened a year ago, it left me feeling disgusted with Destructoid.

  • Uncle Bug Music

    Has anyone ever spent time with game “journalists”? I was one and an editor in web and print fom 98-07. I couldn’t wait to get out of the industry simply due to the immaturity and social retardedness of many that worked for me, or whom I had to deal with at industry events. Reading this brought back so many memories. These are not the words of men, but of children who only grew up just enough so that their legs reached the ground. They might look like men, but people in the real world, who are fully integrated and engaged in society, don’t behave in this manner. After leaving the game journo biz, I worked in an office for 6 years and was immediately happy to work among emotional adults rather than children playing dress-up.

    • C G Saturation

      It’s obvious they don’t really get into journalism to report, but to receive money and special benefits for lazily spewing utter bullshit.

      Reminds me of how, when I was in high school, a guy said he wanted to be a cop to get discounts at McDonalds. Motive fail much?

    • FuryOfFirestorm

      Perhaps you’d be willing to share your story on this site? I’m sure Ralph would be willing to omit/change anything that could be used to identify you to insure your privacy and safety.

  • Lars Anderson

    Remind me to never get involved with gaming media. Jesus, what a bunch of scumbags.

  • FuryOfFirestorm

    That was basically an SJW witchhunt, and Alistair was burned at the stake to appease their bloodlust.

    Alistair exposed a charity scam, and this is the thanks he gets? He gets blamed for her suicide, despite it occurring before he mentioned her trans status and she personally stating that she did not blame him for it?

    And to rub salt on the wound, not only was Alistar canned, his boss colluded with other game journos to smear him and blacklist him! WTF? Since when it is protocol for an EIC to discuss with other EICs in secret about who should be fired?

    • Roland Bjorkman

      Yeayh. They wanted to keep certain details hidden because they didn’t appeal to them politically, it looks like. I doubt they would have been so sensitive about revealing the dientity of the scammer if they had been CIS scum.

  • Livnthedream

    So this will be shared everywhere. Gamers 4th Estate needs to be burned to the ground.

    • Roland Bjorkman

      Abandon it, like a house that’s been infested with termites. It’s beyond saving.

  • Eralun

    Can’t even say i’m surprised.

  • Madbrainbox

    Nothing to see here folks.There’s no corruption in gaming journalism.Nope.None.Zero.
    These people need to go.Having them keeping the keys to the industry will only damage the industry further.
    Considering what they’ve done I dedicate these verses to them:
    “I will hunt you down and tear you limb from limb

    Nothing shall remain, not your memory, your name

    It will be as though you never, ever lived.”
    Metaphorically speaking of course.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgNtrLhwg7I

  • Don’t redact names! #GamerGate

    • Sorry. It was at the request of some involved. No one wants to incite unneeded attention where it isn’t due.

      • fjodor

        Hi Billy, I think you forgot to black out a name in this email-cap from 17th of may; https://imgur.com/9ppx9SK.png – “Allistar has since sent us a very lengthy…. (at the risk of exposing more facts about *name*)…”

      • Ah, thanks for catching that. I had an updated version of that image that I forgot to re-upload. It’s been updated.

  • Thanatos2k

    This is a smoking gun. Legally actionable. Morally reprehensible. Ethically bankrupt.

    Destructoid should be removed from the internet. Everyone involved should be penniless and on the streets.

  • Brit Bong

    Thankyou for disclosing this.

    I’d sincerely like to know what a lawyers take on this event would be.

    • I forgot to respond to this earlier.

      According to a lawyer, there is a case for libel and defamation… but it will be expensive (not including the blacklisting stuff.)

      • I hate socialists

        if Allistair starts a crowd fund for his legal defence I will gladly contribute it. Burn Destructoid to the ground.

  • Sand Ripper

    I like how Gonzalez plays the “We’re not journalists. We’re bloggers.” card when the heat is on.

  • Cwbintennessee Michael Winton

    The shill force is strong in the comments

  • Kelly Maxwell

    OH right was this the situation where a person was lying about a medical condition so they could get funds for transitioning? I heard about this. A lot of angles to this. trans-phobia – trans-shame. . Fraud. Coverups. Lies. blacklisting. Collusion. Wow, i forgot all about this. Thanks #GamerGate-chan!

  • Roland Bjorkman

    I noticed a mention of “sexual misconduct” in Holly Green’s tweets. That’s interesting.

    I’d like to know more about that. We’ve seen time and time again that they are guilty of all the things that they criticize others for. Considering how they joked about how common it is to sleep with PR and devs in the gamejournopros group, wouldn’t surprise me if they also got into shenanigans with the vert few female writers they have around.

    • Ehh, that will be discussed later. It’s a lot uglier than you think.

    • Kelly Maxwell

      I dont care about ppl sleeping together, but ppl trading sexual favors for business seems to increase -ism issues.. doesn’t it?

      • Roland Bjorkman

        Yes, and that seemed to be a pretty big thing in the Quinn-spiracy situation, yet all these feminists who have been promoted by the gaming media are quiet about it. Usually a successful developer who judges a competition when he’s sleeping with one of the developers is the kind of thing that sends feminists into rage mode. Or a developer who’s hiring people for his company. Or a journalist who happens to cover the sort of games she develops.

  • Roland Bjorkman

    Just read through the Reddit post on this story, and the writer who got blacklisted seems to be posting there. Quite the rabid SJW himself, it seems. He’s pretty aggressive about attacking people who say it was ok for him to reveal that the person behind the scam was transsexual. Not too surprising, I don’t think they will hire you if you aren’t. When it comes to their sites, diversity doesn’t seem that important, especially when it comes to diversity of opinion.

    He just doesn’t like the dishonest way they did it.

    I’m not sure that you could really do a story about a fake fundraiser without telling people why, considering the attention this story got. People would want to know and wouldn’t stop asking questions. Don’t try to question that in front of him though – or ” fuck off all your anti-LGBT scumbags “!

  • thebrockler

    Allistair Pinsof is a shitty journalist that caused the rape and the subsequent suicide attempts of an innocent woman, all because she didn’t want to out herself.

    • What on Earth does that have to do with the collusion to blacklist him?

    • 2501

      Innocent? Are you kidding me? She was behind a fraud crowdfunding campaign and was exploiting people’s money for her trans operation.

      Would you rather let people get scammed and falsely believe they where saving someone’s life?

    • Anonymous

      Prove it.

  • FlyByNight

    This doesn’t surprise me. I was banned for bringing this up by Aaron Myx. That whole site is pro SJW’s.

  • brainy37

    One of the things that stands out about these assholes is how fast they go back and forth between calling themselves journalists and bloggers. Since when does a blogger have a Senior Editor? Bloggers don’t get paid to blog, have to meet deadlines, nor have their content and text given a quick over by legal. Opinion Editorial isn’t blogging but they want you to believe it to be. Fortunately for them, real journalists don’t take them seriously so they go on their merry ways not really realizing that their piss poor behavior is why no one will take them seriously in the future either. They’ve got their niche…for now and they’ll milk it for as much as they can.

  • Throc Morton

    “Nowhere on my site does it say we are journalists. We clown out journalists constantly.”

    And this is why people should just stop reading game blogs and stick with actual game journalists. There’s a print medium that’s dying out there because people would rather read smut written by non-professionals.

    • To be fair, print journalism for games always had its share of problems, before the internet was a thing we had to take them at their word and I have no doubt there were deals going on behind closed doors, because I remember reading positive press in those publications for games that absolutely did not deserve it.

      I do still agree with you though, the lack of professionalism in online games journalism has rendered it a laughing stock, at this point it seems to be little more than a congregation of bloggers without the first clue about what constitutes actual investigative reporting, how to manage staff or what separates facts from opinion.

  • alex tarven

    that ass pain by Yanier “Niero” Gonzalez at the end of the article digging a bigger hole. priceless

  • Tanooki

    haha, he pulled the ‘We aren’t actually journalists, just bloggers!’ card, unironically.

  • jobob22222

    Destructoid and most other game journos are bastards. Also, puppies are cute. It’s the kind of stuff that doesn’t really need to be said.

    The less support game journos get the better off the gaming industry will be.

  • Shayde

    Only problem is if he was 1099, he gets no unemployment. He isn’t paying into the unemployment insurance program. Yes, Florida is at-will, but it doesn’t matter in this case at all because he was 1099.

  • Slick JMista

    Now you see what #GamerGate is all about…

  • Milty10

    There were reasons even before this to compel me to stop frequenting Destructoid. It was easy to see where the wind was blowing thanks to pieces from a large chunk of it’s contributors, including North, Holmes, and Sterling.

    I’ve made my peace with this, the earth is salted, may nothing of interest rise from it again.

    • I’ve made my peace with this, the earth is salted, may nothing of interest rise from it again.

      Yep, I don’t think anything is growing out of there again.

      https://i.imgur.com/XjYLEam.jpg

  • TeLin特林

    Guessing Destructoid is still crying for HUGE memberships? Maybe they should get their shit together first.

  • logat890

    HA I knew Dtoid was sliding down the shithole!!

  • AT-LOW

    I hate to be the one playing devil’s advocate here, but Alistair said shit on Twitter that he shouldn’t. It’s referenced in his e-mails with Yanier, he even writes a whole extra clause in his letter of recommendation admitting that he fucked up on Twitter.
    No matter what job you’re working, you can’t talk smack about your boss – it’s vocational suicide.

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